>> In roundness, the energy of the horse is within the circle, which bisects
>> his mouth and his feet.
>>
>
> What do you mean by roundness? Are you referring to a round, collected
> frame? Where did this information come from?
By roundness, I'm using the accepted use by classical dressage.
On 7/9/07, Mary Arena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> I agree with you. However, in training, you never start with your goal.
> You have to go through a teaching process to teach the horse to move from
> back to front.
on the rfdtv dressage symposium he kinda talked about this, abourt
German dr
From: "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
I'm referring to Lee's statement in the section, How Does a Horse Do a
> Pace or Stepping Pace, on page 157: "Horses that pace always do so with
> "hollow" or slightly swayed backs." I don't think Stormur's back is
> always
> hollow or slightly
--- Mary Arena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The angle between the croup and back is closer to
the neutral and round frames.<<
I see it!
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
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the only difference i see is that he appears to be in a turn...
Janice
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yipie tie yie yo
I did "cure that pace!" by Lee, or is it Liz... anyway. really
works. I mean, jaspar will always be pacey, he has pacey
conformation, but it got him out of the hard pace and where he will do
some other gaits now, not quite sure what they are! But I know for a
fact he does a nice relaxed stepp
From: "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> In roundness, the energy of the horse is within the circle, which bisects
> his mouth and his feet.
>
What do you mean by roundness? Are you referring to a round, collected
frame? Where did this information come from?
Mary
Sand Lake, NY
On 7/4/07, Mary Arena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I am concerned for
> Stormur's long term soundness, being such a pacey horse. So, I invested a
> lot of time teaching him to relax through his body and elevate his back.
My horse is pacey so I'd be interested to know how you taught yours to
rel
On 7/5/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes - the Arab riding endurance riders I condition with are quite put off by
> Hunter's gaitedness.
>
i think when a fine gaited horse comes gaiting pretty as a picture up
behind a buncha trotting horses they NEED to get outa the way ... :)
Ja
>>> Yes, I am referring to roundness. I agree with what you're saying here.
I am wondering if it makes the horse lose the ability to rack. It sure
didn't make Stormur lose his ability to pace
I think anyone who knows gaited horses admits that there are not going to be
horses so hardwired/conf
> Here's what I see: Look at Stormur's croup. Compare it to the hollow
> drawing. His croup is lowered.
I don't see it; can you mark up the picture to show what it is lowered in
relationship to?
Thanks!
Judy
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From: "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If the horse is pacey and conformationally
> prone to hollowness, then yes, I feel sure you'd want to move him TOWARDS
> some "degree of roundness" or at least "lack of hollowness" if at all
> possible - as I gather you've done with Stormur. (Certainly
Yes - the Arab riding endurance riders I condition with are quite put off by
Hunter's gaitedness.
He has now been accepted into the group as a viable limited distance horse,
but it had taken two years. He ran a sharp stick into his sole a few months
ago and when I asked my friend if he looked "of
From: "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Here's a comparison of the one picture of Stormur and the round, neutral,
> hollow sketches.
>
Thanks, Judy! I was really hoping you'd be able to do something like this!
Here's what I see: Look at Stormur's croup. Compare it to the hollow
drawing.
From: "Nancy Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I would be pretty happy to call this horse round. In this photo, even
> though Stormur is moving in a very lateral way, he's stepping well under
> himself.
>
I agree!
> In my experience, perfection is hard to come by. If Hunter, the TWH, ever
> EVE
From: "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by "does it create problems
>>> with a gaited horse?"
>>>
>> What I mean is: how does it affect the easy gaits? Does it change them,
>> for better or for worse?
>
> Sorry, I'm dense today what is "it"? I'm just not
Ah ha.
So is this why Lee Ziegler says a pacing horse cannot be round, because by
definition the lateral placement of his feet is going to fall ouside of the
circle?
Using that requirement, it does seem that the gait alone would prevent a
pacing horse from falling into this interpretation of "r
>>> In roundness, the energy of the horse is within the circle, which
bisects his mouth and his feet.
That's a cool way of showing it, Judy. I've always tried to look for each
of the symptoms separately, including the trailing rear leg(s), but that's
an interesting way of visualizing it.
Karen
>>> What I mean is: how does it affect the easy gaits? Does it change
them, for better or for worse?
I'm not sure what you mean by "it" in this sentence...?
Roundness/collection?
Assuming that you mean roundness, does roundness help a horse gait better?
Wouldn't that totally depend on where the
--- Mary Arena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I see his neck and poll as rounded, his back
elevated, but his croup is not lowered, so he's not
truly round. I do not see any hollowness.<<
This picture really interests me. Actually, it
confounds me a bit. What I see everytime I look at it
is a p
My background is dressage with some hunter/jumper/combined training mixed
in. I did always ride my dressage horses out on trail because I think it
helps them to relax and also to use their hind ends.
I readily confess to owning my first three gaited horses: TWH for two
years, Icelandics a few mo
> Yes, I think so, too, but the focus is different. I am concerned for
> Stormur's long term soundness, being such a pacey horse. So, I invested a
> lot of time teaching him to relax through his body and elevate his back.
That's good.
I think that's a good focus, and that you're doing a good jo
From: "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> What do you see in the picture? What gait do you
>> think he is doing?
>
> I think he's doing a stepping pace, bordering on hard pace.
>
I agree.
> Stepping pace has a wide range, and I would place his, in this picture,
> far to the lateral side.
>
>>> We seem to be coming from different perspectives, mine from a dressage
background, the rest of the list from a gaited horse background. Does that
make one way right and the other wrong? Does it create problems with a
gaited horse?
I guess it wouldn't hurt for all of us all to explain to the
> What do you see in the picture? What gait do you
> think he is doing?
I think he's doing a stepping pace, bordering on hard pace.
Stepping pace has a wide range, and I would place his, in this picture, far to
the lateral side.
> We seem to be coming from different perspectives,
> mine f
> Mary, do you see him as "round" in this picture?
>
> If so, can you point out where?
I forgot to ask, were there any pictures of him from this session, or
another time, taken directly from the side? (in this one, we see him more
from the side and behind).
Judy
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