Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread pyramid
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 06:23:24PM -0800, Nancy Sturm wrote: And a friend's endurance horse has nasty white patches on either side of his spine, just behind the withers. I know we all make mistakes and I surely have made my share, but I really would feel awful if I were using tack that

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Janice McDonald
*nod* that is how i feel about my previous experience with the sensation. i still rub vit e cream on stjarni's back in the hopes that the white hairs will fade i *am* trying another sensation, but this one with shorter flaps so i can use the other stirrup rigging method. gosh are

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread pyramid
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:22:25AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: gosh are you sure the sensation did it Vicka?? yes. he was ridden in treed saddles for eight years, then after the next coat change after i got the sensation, the white hairs appeared. talking with my dealer, the white hairs are

RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Karen Thomas
gosh are you sure the sensation did it Vicka?? It takes a long long time for the white to show up! and when it does it usually sheds out and then if still using the bad saddle will come back. I just find it hard to believe a sensation could produce such severe nerve damage. I know

RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Karen Thomas
I know first-hand that saddle-induced white hairs can take YEARS to grow in. Many times the damage is cumulative...and of course, there are times when the white hairs are totally not related, as I mentioned earlier. I find it very hard to believe that a Sensation, used for just two

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Wanda Lauscher
I'd like to see some pics of white hairs on backs that people think are caused by saddles. Does anyone have pics of this? Vicka? Do you have some pics of Stjarni's white hairs? Wanda

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 03/12/2007, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly wouldn't condemn a saddle if a few white hairs show up, especially if there's no pain...but I also wouldn't count on the absence of white hairs to prove that all is well. True. Hreggur's back muscles were terribly atrophied

RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Karen Thomas
Hreggur's back muscles were terribly atrophied when he arrived hereand he didn't have one white hair. So there are many things that can do damage to a back. I see that we sent our posts in with the same thoughts, about the same time...but thinking about different horses. Karen

RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Karen Thomas
all I can think of is if it was caused by the stirrups being free, maybe from standing in the stirrups for stuff? posting or jumping or something?? Cary and I both ride with the free-hanging stirrups, and Cary weighs over 235. And, btw, we shouldn't stand in the stirrups when we post to

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread pyramid
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 06:05:31PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: I find it very hard to believe that a Sensation, used for just two months prior to a coat change would be the culprit, especially for a 100-ish pound rider. i think it was more like six months, and the shape of the white hairs

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread pyramid
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 05:17:29PM -0600, Wanda Lauscher wrote: Vicka? Do you have some pics of Stjarni's white hairs? i don't think so, and my camera (and my winter gloves and insulated paddock boots) are currently among the missing :/ but kaaren, did i send maybe you any pix at the time??

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread Janice McDonald
On 12/3/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gosh are you sure the sensation did it Vicka?? It takes a long long time for the white to show up! and when it does it usually sheds out and then if still using the bad saddle will come back. I just find it hard to believe a sensation

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread pyramid
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 05:22:35PM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: all I can think of is if it was caused by the stirrups being free, maybe from standing in the stirrups for stuff? posting or jumping or something?? very likely, as i both post to the trot and jump, and try to keep my weight down

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-03 Thread pyramid
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 09:29:53PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote: And, btw, we shouldn't stand in the stirrups when we post to the trot. In my riding lessons over the years, I've had to spend certain amounts of time posting and two-pointing without stirrups. My daughter's instructor had her

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
I was concerned that Hunter had a few white hairs on his back - sort of silly, actually, because he has a few white hairs interwoven with the black in places where a saddle never would have touched. Anyway the saddle fitter laughed at me. He said Those sure didn't come from THIS saddle. Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-02 Thread Karen Thomas
I was concerned that Hunter had a few white hairs on his back - sort of silly, actually, because he has a few white hairs interwoven with the black in places where a saddle never would have touched. I know they CAN indicate a problem, and maybe even they PROBABLY do, but I have two horses with

Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-02 Thread Nancy Sturm
When you see a horse who has white hairs from tack or harness, it isn't particularly subtle. Dusty, a grade driving pony, came to us with white hair (lots of it) where a crupper would have rested and also where the saddle part of the harness would sit. Twist, the OT Standardbred has white hairs

RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back

2007-12-02 Thread Karen Thomas
Twist, the OT Standardbred has white hairs on his legs where the track hobbles probably rested. I've seen white dots on TB cannons where they have been pinfired. Holly has a big white mark on one of her shoulders from an old bite mark. Thunder has white marks under where his saddle was - but