Well, I am doing my part by exercising my rights to avoid buying any
of the stuff that does not let me copy it, and I will not buy any
computer stuff that is unable to copy stuff.
And, so I agree that if the IPR folk want to be so damned
proprietary, they can just sit at home with all their
On Wed, 01 May 2002 15:00:53 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
a very important thing. For instance, it could assert that the assumed
state was that information was in the public domain, and resist the move to
assume all information innately carries enforceable restrictions ab initio.
That would be nice!!!
James
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From: Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alexandre Dulaunoy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: RFC3271 and independance of cyberspace
Internet is for everyone - but it won't
On Wed, 1 May 2002, vint cerf wrote:
At 03:00 PM 5/1/2002 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For instance, it could assert that the assumed
state was that information was in the public domain, and resist the move to
assume all information innately carries enforceable restrictions ab
Keith you have put your finger squarely on the nub of what is wrong
with this RFC .
I recommend to you and other list members the essay of Yochai
Benkler. Grab the whole essay with the following URL. Benkler asks
that we consider what we are doing. Building the perfect shopping
mall or
Let us dedicate ourselves to the worldwide abolishment of the
provisions in intellectual property laws - copyrights, patents, and
trademarks - which stifle the freedom of expression and the development
of a gloabl marketplace of ideas, to reinforce the upward spiral of
real value (not
Keith Moore wrote:
And the downside of information capitalism is that it facilitates
control over the many by those few who possess crucial pieces of
information - the information produced by everyone else is nearly
useless in comparison. Ironically, what you call information
capitalism
rather than revising the RFC maybe it would be good to develop some
recommendations for the principles or features of a useful framework?
I am also guessing that most of the ietf would prefer NOT to put up
with further debate on this topic. Maybe we should move over to the
Internet Societal
Which of the following two options is more likely to feed starving
children in Africa:
1) the Africans produce millions of pieces of valuable IPR
2) we take Steamboat Willie away from Disney, making it valueless
to everybody
neither one is going to help starving children.
Keith Moore wrote:
you falsely assume that millions of pieces of valuable IPR can be
created out of thin air.
I make no such assumptions. It would certainly help things, for example,
if you were to donate your IPR to them. Which is better, that I donate my
IPR for them to sell, or that you
As I already said, I also feel that Disney et al should have been
investing in new assets rather than working to lockup old assets
(That message hadn't reached me when I wrote.)
I am/was arguing against the complete emasculation of IPR that Keith
called for in his original message:
| Let us
John Stracke wrote:
As John Gilmore has pointed out, we are approaching an age when
nanotech will mean that any material object can be copied as
easily as we can currently copy digital information.
This discussion is leaving the realm of ~modifications to RFCs. However,
there are two
On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, at 12:44 , Bill Cunningham wrote:
Yes keeping the government out of the internet is a tremendous task. We
will
continue to have governments until we no longer need them. That's my
view.
My personal chief concern right now is if they begin taxing products
bought
hi, a friend of mine is laboring under the delusion
that the internet (the backbone services such a UUnet)
are suffering from a too much supply, not enough
demand problem right now, and that this is what is
hurting Telecom stocks.
i can't seem to convince him that nothing could be
further from
Hear, hear!
-Rens
At 11:21 PM 4/30/2002 -0700, Einar Stefferud wrote:
Well, I am doing my part by exercising my rights to avoid buying any of
the stuff that does not let me copy it, and I will not buy any computer
stuff that is unable to copy stuff.
And, so I agree that if the IPR folk want to
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