Re: [newtrk] Why old-standards (Re: List of Old Standards to be retired)

2004-12-18 Thread Eliot Lear
John, Harald, while I agree in principle, I would suggest that some of the comments Eric, Bill, and others have pointed out call for the beginnings of an evaluation of your experiment. I further suggest that evaluation is appropriate at almost any time, once data start to come in. First a

Re: IASA BCP -02 Designated Donations - section 5.3

2004-12-18 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Hi Leslie, I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying... I'm not nearly so worried, on that front, about the small donations front, as I am about the overall principles of identifying IETF donations and achieving some model for dependent sustainability. What do you mean by dependent

Re: Why old-standards (Re: List of Old Standards to be retired)

2004-12-18 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On fredag, desember 17, 2004 11:49:04 -0500 William Allen Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, here's my promise to you. I'll track down McGregor, and we'll write something up. I will work on moving my Proposed Standards, assuming that the IESG is actually _interested_ in doing its job. The

Re: [newtrk] Why old-standards (Re: List of Old Standards to be retired)

2004-12-18 Thread John C Klensin
No disagreement on any of this. I was just responding to what I took to be suggestions that in-flight partial evaluation was inappropriate. john --On Saturday, 18 December, 2004 04:23 -0500 Scott W Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 11:47:10AM -0500, John C Klensin

Re: Why old-standards (Re: List of Old Standards to be retired)

2004-12-18 Thread William Allen Simpson
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: --On fredag, desember 17, 2004 11:49:04 -0500 William Allen Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, here's my promise to you. I'll track down McGregor, and we'll write something up. I will work on moving my Proposed Standards, assuming that the IESG is actually

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Bruce Lilly
Date: 2004-12-14 16:01 From: Doug Ewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The grandfathered production in the RFC 3066bis ABNF is intended only for the 24 entries (not 46, as I wrote earlier) that are carried over from the RFC 3066 registry and that don't otherwise conform to the

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Bruce Lilly
Date: 2004-12-15 14:41 From: Peter Constable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] How is it possible to predict ahead of time what is the worst-case length for a RFC3066-registered language tag? In some contexts, the length is limited by the context (e.g.

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Sam Hartman
Bruce == Bruce Lilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce If there really are only 24 items of less than 11 octets Bruce each, a trivial solution is to simply list them (with the Bruce usual ABNF syntax) as literal strings. That should take no Bruce more than a half-dozen lines.

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Bruce Lilly
Date: 2004-12-15 13:22 From: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] The current process does *not* limit the length of non-private-use tags. It does by way of reviewer, community, and IETF Area Director review. But absolutely nothing except his good sense

RE: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Brian Rosen
I don't have any comment on the issue of language tags, but speaking as a reasonably avid ABNF hacker, I agree with Sam, and would not want to establish a convention that ABNF in IETF RFCs is expected to be precise. One MUST read the text to understand what the limits of the syntax are. This is

RE: IASA BCP -02 Designated Donations - section 5.3

2004-12-18 Thread Christian Huitema
One nit: There won't really be IETF donations. All of the fund raising will be done through ISOC, so all of the donations will be ISOC donations. Some of those donations may be designated to a particular ISOC activity (such as the IASA or a particular educational or public policy project),

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread ned . freed
I am somewhat sympathetic to the idea of having some total limit (except for the late date for the proposed change). Earlier feedback would have been had if there had been some announcement of the proposed considerable changes on the ietf-822 mailing list, or via an IETF WG charter. This

RE: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Addison Phillips [wM]
PROTECTED] Sent: 20041218 15:41 To: Bruce Lilly Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP I am somewhat sympathetic to the idea of having some total limit (except for the late date for the proposed change). Earlier

RE: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-18 Thread Addison Phillips [wM]
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