Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP

2005-02-10 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 9. februar 2005 21:27 +0200 Kai Henningsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harald Tveit Alvestrand) wrote on 09.02.05 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: !7. As bestween, the IETF, IASA and ISOC, the IETF, through the IASA, Huh?! I can't parse that. Lynn said

Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP

2005-02-10 Thread Margaret Wasserman
According to my local dictionary, bestween isn't even a word. The MS-Word copy that Lynn circulated uses the word between here, so this is a typo in the ASCII diff. I am doubtful that As between, the IETF, IASA and ISOC, the IETF, through IASA, shall have... is not standard grammar, legal or

Re: Last Call: 'The telnet URI Scheme' to Proposed Standard

2005-02-10 Thread Tom Petch
inline Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Larry Masinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 1:55 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: 'The telnet URI Scheme' to Proposed Standard I think it would be much more useful if we could update the document sufficiently

Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP

2005-02-10 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 10:56 10/02/2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: Lynn said that the ISOC lawyer said that this is standard legal grammar for these are the parties whose relationship the next part of the sentence describes. I agree that it's not normal English. Sorry, to interrupt your important

Re: Last Call: 'Message Submission' to Draft Standard

2005-02-10 Thread Nathaniel Borenstein
On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Bruce Lilly wrote: Q: Is there a list of changes from RFC 2476? [As the request is to advance to Draft status, it would be nice to know if any changes are of such scope and substance as to warrant remaining at Proposed. Such a list would also aid reviewers,

WGIG (Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP)

2005-02-10 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
Jefsey, I think you can take it as a given that the IETF will not be providing any explicit input into the WGIG process. ISOC is an active participant in the process, and many IETF participants are, but IETF the standards maker is not. Instead, the IETF will continue formulating standards that

Re: IDN security violation? Please comment

2005-02-10 Thread Bruce Lilly
Date: 2005-02-08 19:57 From: John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll try to respond to the issues and questions you raise, but please note that the landscape here is strewn with dead horses and that kicking them is not a particularly helpful or rewarding activity. Noted. Ditto for

Re: Last Call: 'Message Submission' to Draft Standard

2005-02-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Nathaniel == Nathaniel Borenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathaniel On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Bruce Lilly wrote: Q: Is there a list of changes from RFC 2476? [As the request is to advance to Draft status, it would be nice to know if any changes are of such scope and

Re: Last Call: 'The telnet URI Scheme' to Proposed Standard

2005-02-10 Thread Sam Hartman
Tom == Tom Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom Is this even Standards track? I don't know:-( It's my understanding that with the exception of widely deployed URIs documented for informational purpose, both the old and new URI registration guidelines encourage standards-track URIs. --Sam

Re: Last Call: 'Message Submission' to Draft Standard

2005-02-10 Thread Bruce Lilly
On Thu February 10 2005 10:42, Nathaniel Borenstein wrote: On Jan 29, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Bruce Lilly wrote: Q: Is there a list of changes from RFC 2476? [As the request is to advance to Draft status, it would be nice to know if any changes are of such scope and substance as to

Re: IDN security violation? Please comment

2005-02-10 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On torsdag, februar 10, 2005 10:49:50 -0500 Bruce Lilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I have in mind a keyboard on a certain device which has support for protocols which use domain names (HTTP, SMTP/ Internet Message Format, VPIM). It has a keyboard which is at best inconvenient for

Re: Last Call: 'Message Submission' to Draft Standard

2005-02-10 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On torsdag, februar 10, 2005 12:54:53 -0500 Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4.3. Require Authentication The MSA MUST issue an error response to the MAIL FROM command if the session has not been authenticated using [SMTP-AUTH], unless it has already independently

Re: WG Review: IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4 (lowpan)

2005-02-10 Thread gabriel montenegro
Hi Pekka, Thanks for the comments. Is IPv4 packet encapsulation specifically out of scope? Spell this out. Do IEEE and the other communities agree with this approach? (Not that I would disagree -- just hoping that someone else doesn't go on to invent the v4 adaptation if the IETF doesn't

Re: WG Review: IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4 (lowpan)

2005-02-10 Thread gabriel montenegro
The IEEE tends to call them LR-WPANs (low-rate wireless PANs), but I thought lowpan would roll off the tongue a bit easier. -gabriel On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:37:08 +0200, John Loughney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Low power PAN - personalarea network. But then I wade through these acronyms for

Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP

2005-02-10 Thread Fred Baker
Ted: The suggestions ISOC made were pursuant to our lawyer's comments, so they tend to have something to do with legalese. We are asking SkaddenArps to reply to your note. But let me interject... At 09:56 AM 02/09/05 -0800, Ted Hardie wrote: Some comments, using Harald's diff as a starting

Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP

2005-02-10 Thread Fred Baker
At 05:12 PM 02/10/05 -0800, Ted Hardie wrote: I think the lawyer's desire for the word managed vs controlled is seeking legal clarity in the terminology here. Managed is the usual word for what the IAOC does in this context, and controlled isn't. I agree that managed is what the IAOC does here.

Re: WG Review: IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4 (lowpan)

2005-02-10 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005, gabriel montenegro wrote: Is IPv4 packet encapsulation specifically out of scope? Spell this out. Do IEEE and the other communities agree with this approach? (Not that I would disagree -- just hoping that someone else doesn't go on to invent the v4 adaptation if the IETF

Re: ASCII diff of ISOC-proposed changes to BCP

2005-02-10 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On torsdag, februar 10, 2005 17:56:42 -0800 Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we in a position to post a -07 draft responsive to these issues? When I see such, I am prepared to open a board ballot. As soon as I've seen a couple of hours pass with all parties seeming to be reasonably