Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
on 2005-09-15 05:29 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> verify that I got it right > > Of course you did, but my stupid browser still doesn't get it, > sigh... embarassing, let's say "IOU ten legacy browser tests" > whenever you need them. Is there any better pl

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Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi Pekka, on 2005-09-15 07:00 Pekka Savola said the following: [...] > A suggestion: it might be a good idea to include a changelog of > user-visible changes somewhere. That way, the folks might discover > the fancy new features more easily.. Yes - it's only a few days away... The gray versi

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: There will continue to be incremental additions and refinements to the tools which are already on the site, so suggestions and contributions are very welcome. We're also working on new stuff which we hope you'll like :-) A suggestion: it might be a

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Frank Ellermann
Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > verify that I got it right Of course you did, but my stupid browser still doesn't get it, sigh... embarassing, let's say "IOU ten legacy browser tests" whenever you need them. Is there any better place than this list for cases of "user hallucinates technical problem wi

BitTorrent (Was: Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it)

2005-09-14 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 5:32 PM -0700 9/14/05, Michael Thomas wrote: Ned Freed wrote: Such a third party would act as a repository for update information provided by vendors. Applications would then "call home" to one of these repositories rather than directly to the vendor. Various anonymyzing tricks could be empl

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Integrated Security Model for SNMP (isms)

2005-09-14 Thread C. M. Heard
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, The IESG wrote: > A modified charter has been submitted for the Integrated > Security Model for SNMP (isms) working group in the Security > Area of the IETF. ... > In order to leverage the authentication information already > accessible at managed devices, the new security model

Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it

2005-09-14 Thread Michael Thomas
Ned Freed wrote: Ned Freed wrote: > If I were to object to Eliot's proposal (I don't - in fact I strongly > support > it), it would be on the grounds that the IETF should be taking a long > hard look > at the issues surrounding call home in general, not just in the special > case of > SNMP. I

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi Frank, on 2005-09-15 01:08 Frank Ellermann said the following: > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> suggestions and contributions are very welcome > > Minor nit, the output is still "transitional" using , > table layout, etc. That's fine from my POV with a "legacy" > browser. But the "right colum

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
Excellent! Many thanks for this great tool. It is already in my firefox toolbar :-). One curious side effect might be that everyone will now know if other WGs set out to make modifications to mine is> IPsec, and might make life in the IETF more exciting, if it not already exciting enough :-)

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Frank Ellermann
Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > suggestions and contributions are very welcome Minor nit, the output is still "transitional" using , table layout, etc. That's fine from my POV with a "legacy" browser. But the "right column" is often much shorter than the "left column" (= list of WGs). And the defaul

Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it

2005-09-14 Thread Ned Freed
Ned Freed wrote: > If I were to object to Eliot's proposal (I don't - in fact I strongly > support > it), it would be on the grounds that the IETF should be taking a long > hard look > at the issues surrounding call home in general, not just in the special > case of > SNMP. I'll bite: what coul

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I've fixed the code, and both sites should be updated within an hour. ... and this is the OTHER reason people should be looking at the IETF tools website - if you have feedback on what the tools do and how they can be improved, updates usually happen really quickly :-) Spencer __

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
Hi Lakshminath, on 2005-09-14 22:48 Lakshminath Dondeti said the following: > This is a great tool and I am (was) thinking that this would help identify > contributions to WG1 that may be related to WG2 by listing both the names > in the title. > > For instance, the MSEC WG has some IPSEC relat

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Henrik Levkowetz
on 2005-09-14 22:20 Thomas Narten said the following: > As Spencer says, if you haven't looked recently, you really should. > > Let me just give a big Thanks to Henrik and the tools team for the > work that has gone into tools.ietf.org. It is an incredibly useful > resource. > > That is the fir

Re: "The IETF has difficulty solving complex problems" or alternatively Why IMS is a big fat ugly incomprehensiable protocol

2005-09-14 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 13-sep-2005, at 14:32, Pekka Nikander wrote: So, as I state in my little web page, I think we really should work hard to create a new waist for the architecture. I, of course, have my own theory where the new waist should be and how it should be implemented, Well, don't be shy: where

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
This is a great tool and I am (was) thinking that this would help identify contributions to WG1 that may be related to WG2 by listing both the names in the title. For instance, the MSEC WG has some IPSEC related documents. For example, http://tools.ietf.org/wg/msec/draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-signa

Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it

2005-09-14 Thread Michael Thomas
Ned Freed wrote: If I were to object to Eliot's proposal (I don't - in fact I strongly support it), it would be on the grounds that the IETF should be taking a long hard look at the issues surrounding call home in general, not just in the special case of SNMP. I'll bite: what could the IETF

Re: Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Thomas Narten
As Spencer says, if you haven't looked recently, you really should. Let me just give a big Thanks to Henrik and the tools team for the work that has gone into tools.ietf.org. It is an incredibly useful resource. That is the first place I go when I want to see what the status of something is in a

Re: "The IETF has difficulty solving complex problems" or alternatively Why IMS is a big fat ugly incomprehensiable protocol

2005-09-14 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
On 14:32 13/09/2005, Pekka Nikander said: OTOH, maybe I am just a dreamer and totally off the ground here? No, you are not! However the problem with a "vision" is to know where the boarder is between dreams and real future. This is why I prefer a more prosaïc "model" which gives a simple im

Fw: IETF Tools

2005-09-14 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Fred Baker posted the following note to v6ops, and other versions may be floating around other mailing lists, but I wanted to follow up to a wider distribution. - The IETF tools site IS continuing to add really cool functionality (as detailed by Bert/Fred below), but I haven't seen anything br

Re: [Isms] ISMS charter broken- onus should be on WG to fix it

2005-09-14 Thread Wes Hardaker
Eliot> Wes received the obvious feedback that operators find SNMP Eliot> unusable with the USM model because they cannot integrate it Eliot> with their existing security infrastructures and there is no Eliot> denying that this is a real problem. But this is NOT the only Eliot> problem operators f