learning about real world NGN issues from the Indian questionnaire

I can only suggest everyone, wanting to get a practical and real world summary of the NGN deployment issues, to read this document/questionnaire by the Indian Regulatory Authority. (http://www.trai.gov.in/cpaper12jan06.pdf) - 89 pages. The response of the ISOC Member Roland H. Alden who indica

Re: IETF65 hotel location

Dave Crocker wrote: when an issue is raised repeatedly, by many different people, it almost always has some degree of inherent legitimacy. that makes it worth attending to. some tactical problems have strategic impact. in this case, decisions which well might serve to make the ietf less inc

urgent dhcp request

Dear All, I am in My network Have 200 Users & I need to give them this settings on the IP- Address :- IP: 192.168.1.8 SM: 255.255.255.0 GW: 90.0.0.1-metric ( Automatic ) DNS: 192.168.1.1 But i want to Add 2 IP Address on the Network Card which will optain the IP Address from THE DHCP , and i

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

Hi All, As a follow-up to our recent discussion, please review the draft at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt, .pdf version available at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ash-alt-formats-01.pdf. We propose an experiment based on RFC 3933 allowing, in additio

IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

On 4 January 2006, the IAB received an appeal from Jefsey Morfin appealing the IESG decision to uphold the suspension of his posting rights to the ietf-languages list. According to the procedures in Section 6.5.2 of RFC 2026, the IAB has reviewed the situation and issues the following response.

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

So, a clarification request: Am I correctly understanding that the clear and public requirement does not always imply a process RFC? In particular, John Klensin has made an argument that there are a wide variety of matters that are better handled by operational procedures made available for com

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

How far along are you in getting representatives of the interesting stakeholders involved? Have you found a WG/document/something that would benefit from the experiment? Have you found an AD who would be willing to work with this experiment? Have you found someone from the rfc-editor who is int

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

> "Leslie" == Leslie Daigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Leslie> The devil is, of course, in the details. Even community Leslie> commented on published operational procedures should not Leslie> be at odds with our general or specific process documents, Leslie> or else that seem

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

Sam, One IAB member's perspective: no, the expectation is not BCP upon BCP upon BCP. The devil is, of course, in the details. Even community commented on published operational procedures should not be at odds with our general or specific process documents, or else that seems to suggest the pr

Re: I-D ACTION: draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

>We propose an experiment based on RFC 3933 allowing, in addition to >ASCII text as a normative input/output format, PDF as an additional >normative output format. There are a lot of different formats called PDF. There are PDF 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4. There's the new PDF/A archival profile along

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

My personal perspective is that on a subject as sensitive as banning, it is very important to have clear, well documented procedures dictating the process and who is allowed to initiate the ban. Creation of more documents may not be the solution to this problem, particularly since the applicab

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

Ash, Gerald R (Jerry), ALABS wrote: > .pdf version available at > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ash-alt-formats-01.pdf. My AcroReader 3 says "Colorspace "csfi" konnte nicht gefunden werden" (cannot find colourspace 'csfi' or similar). Then it gave me the option to ignore further erro

RE: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

Bernard, The way I interpret your statement is that you feel that replacement of the existing set of documents - possibly with a single new document - is preferred to writing one or more new documents with the intent to just "glue" the current set back together. Is that a correct

Re: "too many notes" -- a modest proposal

Brian E Carpenter wrote: Eliot Lear wrote: Douglas Otis wrote: I suspect that at the moment, I am the guilty party in consuming bandwidth on the DKIM list. With the aggressive schedule, the immediate desire was to get issues listed, corrected, and in a form found acceptable. Without go

RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

Aside from the issues already raised on the list, I see some other problems. First and foremost, if the input format is PDF, how will the RFC Editor edit the document? PDF documents are not editable. Secondarily, as a lesser matter, for the WG / Documents that get selected for the experiment

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

IAB, Thank you for the processing of this request. However, this mailing list maintainer is now completely uncertain about what his marching orders are with regards to continuing to administer the ietf-languages list. The IAB seems to have decided that it's the IESG that has to decide this;

Fairness and changing rules

> "Harald" == Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Harald> Sam, let me put it this way: Harald> Changing the rules in the middle of the process is Just Harald> Plain Stupid. We've done that too many times to count. Hi. I've been perplexed by this comment. I'd l

Re: I-D ACTION: draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

John Levine writes: > Among valid PDFs, do you include PDFs that are coded to prohibit text > extraction? How about PDFs that are just bitmap scans of printed > documents, like the PDF versions of some early RFCs from the 1970s? Use the most conservative (and thus probably the earliest) version

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

Harald Tveit Alvestrand writes: > Thank you for the processing of this request. > > However, this mailing list maintainer is now completely uncertain about > what his marching orders are with regards to continuing to administer the > ietf-languages list. > > The IAB seems to have decided that it's

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

Joel M. Halpern writes: > First and foremost, if the input format is PDF, how will the RFC Editor > edit the document? PDF documents are not editable. PDF is designed to be uneditable. It's for final versions of a document, and the difficulty involved in trying to edit it is one of its most use

Re: Fairness and changing rules

Sam Hartman writes: > I'd like to understand why changing the rules in the middle of a > process is a bad idea. They aren't rules if they can be changed even as they are being applied. If you want to make rules, you have to be willing to abide by them. Changing the rules even as they are applie

Re: Fairness and changing rules

Sam, trying to avoid pointing at persons, despite the fact that a specific person is at the heart of the current discussion.. your 3 points are very valid reasons for avoiding rule changes, but I think you miss the point I was trying to make. The IESG was asked to choose between two alte

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from Jefsey Morfin

I thank the IAB for the processing of my request. I acknowledge its decision. The IAB has decided not to discuss the motives of the contention, but the use of RFC 3934 to legitimate a ban decision (also used in the three other cases). Harald Alvestrand indicated the reasons of this use: if the

Re: Fairness and changing rules

> "Harald" == Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Harald> Sam, trying to avoid pointing at persons, despite the fact Harald> that a specific person is at the heart of the current Harald> discussion.. your 3 points are very valid reasons for Harald> avoiding

Call for input: draft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-00.txt

As many have noticed, I have prepared a draft on an RFC 3933 experiment for mailing list management. The goal is to give very liberal powers to the IESG equivelent to the powers originally given to the IESG under RFC 2418 for working group lists over all IETF lists. The main reason for an expe

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from [...]

JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: > I hope this list will soon be a IANA managed mailing list, > or that the IESG requires the WG-ltru to gives it a more > precise status through RFC 3066 bis (a debate I proposed > and I was denied). That's of course not the case, it was debated for quite some time in "

Re: I-D ACTION: draft-ash-alt-formats-01.txt

>First and foremost, if the input format is PDF, how will the RFC Editor >edit the document? PDF documents are not editable. Well, this particular proposal only makes PDF an output format, but the question is still a good one. Without an editorial process to create the PDFs, it's not much of an

Re: Call for input: draft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-00.txt

Sam Hartman writes: > I'm interested in feedback on the following issues: > > * Is 18 months too long for the experiment. I don't think so but have > received one comment requesting 12 months. > > * Are there limits that need to be placed on the IESG's authority? My > preference is to grant th

Re: Fairness and changing rules

At 02:19 01/02/2006, Sam Hartman wrote: > "Harald" == Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Harald> Sam, let me put it this way: Harald> Changing the rules in the middle of the process is Just Harald> Plain Stupid. We've done that too many times to count. I am n

Re: Call for input: draft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-00.txt

Sam Hartman wrote: > * Is 18 months too long for the experiment. I don't think > so but have received one comment requesting 12 months. Is that about what I posted here in ? In that case I wasn't sure if 12 or 18 months are long enough to

Re: IAB Response to Appeal from [...]

Dear Frank, RFC 3066 bis is now a local low interest issue, under IESG appeal, mainly for security considerations. IRT your so called debate, I do not think that "leaving the things as they are" is an innovative solution. Now someone has to do the work. jfc At 04:33 01/02/2006, Frank Ellerman

Re: Call for input: draft-hartman-mailinglist-experiment-00.txt

As I have said before, I do not consider it a good procedure to discuss changing of mailing list management procedures at the same time as an extremely contentious application of the existing rules is still waiting for a decision. I wish to comment on the draft, but wish to do so no earlier th

how do we feel about it

I'm pretty sure I understand the intense stupidity of what I'm about to suggest (and I'm sorry to anyone made angry by my stupidity), but what if there were no prescribed response for successful PR-Actions.  What if part of the rough consencus process included the appropriate action to be taken.