Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opes-smtp-security (Integrity, privacy and security in OPES for SMTP) to Informational RFC

2007-01-11 Thread Barry Leiba
Eliot Lear said... I'd have to go further than what you wrote. I believe the document should explicitly discuss interactions with DKIM, as that document is in front of the IESG at this time for approval as a Proposed Standard. Many modifications to a message will invalidate a DKIM signature.

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, January 08, 2007 08:09:58 PM +0100 Frank Ellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about allowing PROTO shepherds to post to the I-D tracker? Can't they ? At least the questionnaire (modulo 1F) is posted. Not at present. The writeup is posted by whoever processed the shepherd

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, January 08, 2007 11:03:00 AM + Adrian Farrel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If we don't do this then they simply are not DISCUSSes. They are just post-it notes. Not true. Remember that DISCUSS is a ballot position. As I understand it from my conversation with an IESG member s

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, January 08, 2007 12:52:16 PM +0100 Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This lack of communication may cause friction. IESG members raise issues, which ends up the tracker, and for which they might not receive any response at all on. They may get the impression that the do

Re: "Discuss" criteria

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Thursday, January 04, 2007 03:12:07 PM +0100 Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't see where you get that from. I can think of two cases where we might get such an assertion from an AD: 1. The IETF Last Call did generate dissent. I'd expect this to be the common case. T

Re: "Discuss" criteria

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:21:37 AM +0100 Harald Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Leslie wrote: This is venturing into dangerous territory. The best expertise on the technical issues involved _should_ be in the WG that produced the document. Expecting to find _better_ expe

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opes-smtp-security (Integrity, privacy and security in OPES for SMTP) to Informational RFC

2007-01-11 Thread Frank Ellermann
Markus Hofmann wrote: > The intend of publishing this document before dissolving the WG is to > have the discussion on how the IAB considerations apply to OPES/SMTP > written down, in case individual contributors might pick-up the > OPES/SMTP work later on (although we don't have indication this m

Re: "Discuss" criteria

2007-01-11 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:49:33 PM + Dave Crocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: C. PROCEDURAL BREAKAGE --- * IETF process related to document advancement was not carried out; e.g., there are unresolved and substantive Last Call comments which the document do

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opes-smtp-security (Integrity, privacy and security in OPES for SMTP) to Informational RFC

2007-01-11 Thread Markus Hofmann
Tony Finch wrote: If the current document is intended as a case analysis for a particular application -- namely email -- to serve as *input* to the design of the OPES architecture and protocols, then I do not see how the current document achieves that. I believe it's intended to fit the existi

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opes-smtp-security (Integrity, privacy and security in OPES for SMTP) to Informational RFC

2007-01-11 Thread Tony Finch
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Dave Crocker wrote: > > As has been clear for some time, the OPES topic is both important and > difficult. That sort of combination always makes want to look for some > history of exerience with ways to solve the current problem. In the case > of OPES, I do not know of a quali

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-opes-smtp-security (Integrity, privacy and security in OPES for SMTP) to Informational RFC

2007-01-11 Thread Dave Crocker
Stechter, Thanks for the followup. Stecher,Martin wrote: This will allow to create such a separate filter box that you mentioned but have it negotiate with different proxies and gateways what kind of protocol/data it can handle. Given what you say at the end of this sentence, I assume this i

RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-opes-smtp-security (Integrity, privacy and security in OPES for SMTP) to Informational RFC

2007-01-11 Thread Stecher,Martin
> > I never got the OPES idea. Of course folks can do their A/V > and SIEVE and SIQ (I-D.irtf-asrg-iar-howe-siq-03) businesss > on a separate box, they can even outsource it, but they do > this already without OPES. > So what's the technical point of OPES wrt mail ? > OPES' technical point