Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
We're rapidly approaching diminishing returns here... On 2007-01-16 21:17, Michael Thomas wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2007-01-15 17:11, Michael Thomas wrote: Michael Thomas, Cisco Systems On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Why not simply: - copy all Comments and

Re: Identifying mailing list for discussion(Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes)

2007-01-17 Thread Tom.Petch
inline Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Henning Schulzrinne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lconroy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: Identifying mailing list for discussion(Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes)

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-17 Thread Julian Reschke
Ted Hardie schrieb: At 5:42 PM +0100 1/15/07, Julian Reschke wrote: (2) Compatibility with RFC2518 The Last Call announcement states: While the WEBDAV working group was originally chartered to produce a draft standard update to RFC 2518, this documented is being targeted as a replacement

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-17 Thread Julian Reschke
Cullen Jennings schrieb: ... (4b) Unnecessary new requirements: an example is the new (MUST-level) requirement to submit a Depth header with PROPFIND (issue 213). This is just one of several cases where the draft made changes for no apparent reason; that is, there was no problem with what

MUST implement AES-CBC for IPsec ESP

2007-01-17 Thread Russ Housley
During the IETF Last Call for draft-manral-ipsec-rfc4305-bis-errata, we received a comment that deserves wide exposure. For ESP encryption algorithms, the document that was sent out for Last Call contains the following table: RequirementEncryption Algorithm (notes)

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-17 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Steven M. Bellovin writes: On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:26:33 -0500 John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we should make it a requirement that any document that is Last Called must be associated with a mailing list, perhaps one whose duration is limited to the Last Call period and any

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-17 Thread Dave Crocker
Brian E Carpenter wrote: I think you are deeply misunderstanding how PROTO shepherding is supposed to work. That's a pretty basic disconnect. Perhaps you can summarize how it is supposed to work? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

Re: Last Call: draft-legg-xed-asd (Abstract Syntax Notation X (ASN.X)) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-17 Thread Simon Josefsson
Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3.3.a.E gives this authorization, but excluding patents. There seems to be disagreement about that. Is there support for updating BCP 78 to clarify the above? There is, in the form of approving -outbound and -inbound. See resolution of issues

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2007-01-17 16:41, Dave Crocker wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: I think you are deeply misunderstanding how PROTO shepherding is supposed to work. That's a pretty basic disconnect. Perhaps you can summarize how it is supposed to work? The way it's described in

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework -- editor's notes

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 9:45 AM -0500 1/17/07, John C Klensin wrote: --On Tuesday, 16 January, 2007 18:44 -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) This version still has some editor's notes. Are these intended for publication? No. I had intended to change the xml2rfc parameters to shut them

Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes

2007-01-17 Thread John Leslie
Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-01-17 16:41, Dave Crocker wrote: Brian E Carpenter wrote: I think you are deeply misunderstanding how PROTO shepherding is supposed to work. That's a pretty basic disconnect. Perhaps you can summarize how it is supposed to work? The

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Randall Gellens wrote: (1) This version still has some editor's notes. Are these intended for publication? No. The writeup didn't get copied into the Last Call, but as WG chair, I believe that the document is complete if all the editor's notes are deleted. Some of them point to areas that

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 8:44 PM +0100 1/17/07, Harald Alvestrand wrote: (2) In section 1.3: An i18mail user has one or more non-ASCII email addresses. Such a user may have ASCII addresses too; if the user has more than one email account and corresponding address, or more than one alias for the

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 8:44 PM +0100 1/17/07, Harald Alvestrand wrote: (3) In section 4.3: the risk should be minimized by the fact that the selection of submission servers are presumably under the control of the sender's client and the selection of potential intermediate relays is under the

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 17 January, 2007 12:12 -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the second-to-last sentence refer to an ASCII address, or any address? The wording implies any address, but if an address is non-ASCII, surely that is a good sign that the owner of that address

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 17 January, 2007 12:25 -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This could also be mentioned in the smtpext document.) I haven't seen that possibility raised. I'm somewhat skeptical that it would be an improvement (it makes the delay before error reporting

IANA web site

2007-01-17 Thread Bob Braden
It has been called to our attention that many people (including W3C!) are using the obsolete (and undefined) URL: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/character-sets If you go to ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/README, you will find: At one time the RFC Editor and

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 3:59 PM -0500 1/17/07, John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, 17 January, 2007 12:12 -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the second-to-last sentence refer to an ASCII address, or any address? The wording implies any address, but if an address is non-ASCII, surely

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 17 January, 2007 14:31 -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about: Replace: Note that under this definition, it is not possible to tell from the address that an email sender or recipient is an i18mail user. with: Note that under

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 4:02 PM -0500 1/17/07, John C Klensin wrote: In any event, I'd recommend/request that you specify text and where it should go. I'm thinking a brief mention in the Framework document, with more discussion in the SMTP extension document, and maybe a mention in the downgrade document.

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 5:40 PM -0500 1/17/07, John C Klensin wrote: Hmm. Because of my concern that some of the non-ASCII addresses we will see floating around will result from guessing, how about ... (A non-ASCII address implies a belief that the... if you can live with that, and no one else objects

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments (Deployment Considerations for lemonade-compliant Mobile Email) to BCP

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 6:32 PM +0100 1/16/07, Frank Ellermann wrote: How about s/HTTP/HTTP or better HTTPS/ somewhere in 4 ? I don't think HTTPS is a sufficiently different protocol from HTTP to warrant making any distinction for the purposes of Section 4. s/exist a large number/exists a large number/ in

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Yangwoo Ko
Randall Gellens wrote: At 3:59 PM -0500 1/17/07, John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, 17 January, 2007 12:12 -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the second-to-last sentence refer to an ASCII address, or any address? The wording implies any address, but if an

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Randall Gellens
At 9:53 AM +0900 1/18/07, Yangwoo Ko wrote: How about: Replace: Note that under this definition, it is not possible to tell from the address that an email sender or recipient is an i18mail user. with: Note that under this definition, it is not possible to tell from

Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email) to Informational RFC

2007-01-17 Thread Yao Jiankang
- Original Message - From: Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harald Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ietf@ietf.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [EAI] Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-framework (Overview and

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-lemonade-deployments (Deployment Considerations for lemonade-compliant Mobile Email) to BCP

2007-01-17 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Wednesday, January 17, 2007 04:31:37 PM -0800 Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s/exist a large number/exists a large number/ in 8 (?) I think you're right, but it sounds funny to my ear, so I'd prefer there are a large number. This is getting into the realm of trivial

Protocol Action: 'Formal Notation for Robust Header Compression (ROHC-FN)' to Proposed Standard

2007-01-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Formal Notation for Robust Header Compression (ROHC-FN) ' draft-ietf-rohc-formal-notation-13.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Robust Header Compression Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Magnus

Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-escertid (ESS Update: Adding CertID Algorithm Agility) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the S/MIME Mail Security WG (smime) to consider the following document: - 'ESS Update: Adding CertID Algorithm Agility ' draft-ietf-smime-escertid-04.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final

68th IETF - Social Event

2007-01-17 Thread IETF Secretariat
The social event for IETF 68 has been arranged by NeuStar at the Zofin Palace in Prague. To find out more on this event and to sign up, please go to: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/68-social.html Only 60 days until Prague! Online registration for the IETF meeting is at: