Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jari Arkko wrote: > And as Brian noted, if this someone misuses their power for > personal reasons or some other reason, we have an appeals > process. I'm not sure there's fundamentally any other way > to handle this. Nor me. Forcing them to either vote "Yes" for a document they don't really lik

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:57:58 +0200 Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In any case, at the end of the day there is going to be someone > who has to decide whether a particular proposal fits the purpose > of the WG, the IETF or the RFC series. This someone can be the > people in the WG, the spo

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread John C Klensin
A couple of comments, with the understanding that Brian and are in substantial agreement about all of this and complete agreement about the things I've left out. --On Friday, 09 February, 2007 17:44 +0100 Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >> That's apparently a side effect of the

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, 09 February, 2007 13:20 -0500 Leslie Daigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, when the question (ION v. informational) came up > within the IESG's discussion of the document, this > is what I offered: > >> On the ION v. RFC question -- I think this is *really* >> teetering on the

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-cms-mult-sign (CryptographicMessageSyntax(CMS) MultipleSigner Clarification) to Proposed Standard

2007-02-09 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Blake" == Blake Ramsdell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Blake> OK, let me back up and explain the events as I see them and Blake> try to clarify. And I am certainly welcome to any comments Blake> or criticism about what my role is or how I should proceed Blake> with this.

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Jari Arkko
Frank, > What I don't like in your draft is the (apparent) personal veto > right for the AD. Authors (hopefully) have an idea about their > topic, but they don't need to be procedural experts. They don't > need to know what an "area" is, if it has a catchall WG or not, > and who the area directo

Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-langtag-mib (Language Tag MIB) to Proposed Standard

2007-02-09 Thread C. M. Heard
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Language Tag MIB ' as a Proposed Standard The title seems to suggest that the document defines managed objects for managing language tags, which is not the

Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-uri-mib (Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) MIB) to Proposed Standard

2007-02-09 Thread C. M. Heard
Sam Hartman wrote: The title of this document is very confusing and should be revised to include the string textual convention. Seeing this last call announcement I was very puzzled why anyone thought it would be a good idea to hae a MIB for monitoring and managing all the URIs on a managed syst

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Jari Arkko
Hi Tom, > There should be one document that is the starting point for those considering > the RFC and IETF processes, one that gives an even-handed treatment of the > available routes to varying outcomes, Right. If you are thinking in terms of an educational document, I'm not sure sure we have one

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Sam Hartman
Personally I've been convinced that this document definitely should not be an informational RFC. It should either be an ion or a bcp at the community's choice based on how much review they want when the IESG decides to change things. It doesn't make sense to me for the IETF to publish informatio

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Leslie Daigle
Well, when the question (ION v. informational) came up within the IESG's discussion of the document, this is what I offered: On the ION v. RFC question -- I think this is *really* teetering on the edge! I've copied below the relevant section of draft-iab-rfc-editor-03. On the one hand, this d

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Tom.Petch
- Original Message - From: "Brian E Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Frank Ellermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC >

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Frank, On 2007-02-09 17:04, Frank Ellermann wrote: Jari Arkko wrote: I would be happy to sponsor a ternary bit draft, but only on April 1 :-) What I don't like in your draft is the (apparent) personal veto right for the AD. Authors (hopefully) have an idea about their topic, but they don't

Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Frank Ellermann
Jari Arkko wrote: > I would be happy to sponsor a ternary bit draft, but only on > April 1 :-) "IETF replaces 'bits' by 'tits', [EMAIL PROTECTED]", it could be a case where April 1st is no good excuse. What I don't like in your draft is the (apparent) personal veto right for the AD. Authors (ho

RE: Revised I-D: draft-ietf-mipshop-cga-cba-03.txt

2007-02-09 Thread Eric Gray \(LO/EUS\)
Christian, Thanks for your quick re-spin of this draft. I have reviewed this latest version, and it addresses all of the issues/questions I had raised. Thanks, again! -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson > -Original Message- > From: Christian Vogt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Last Call: draft-mcwalter-uri-mib (Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) MIB) to Proposed Standard

2007-02-09 Thread Sam Hartman
The title of this document is very confusing and should be revised to include the string textual convention. Seeing this last call announcement I was very puzzled why anyone thought it would be a good idea to hae a MIB for monitoring and managing all the URIs on a managed system. I was gratifie

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-smime-cms-mult-sign (CryptographicMessageSyntax(CMS) Multiple Signer Clarification) to Proposed Standard

2007-02-09 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Denis" == Denis Pinkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Denis> Sam, >>> "Russ" == Russ Housley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Russ> Denis: I do not consider these to be new comments. You made Russ> them during WG Last Call, and there was considerable Russ> discussion on th

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Re: Last Call: draft-iesg-sponsoring-guidelines (Guidance on AreaDirector Sponsoring of Documents) to Informational RFC

2007-02-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
- I'm lost about why we would continue to publish Informational process RFCs (ignoring any existing pipeline of process documents remaining to be published as RFCs). To me the argument for making this one an RFC is mainly that it fits together with the two other drafts mentioned previously, w