RE: Last Call: draft-heard-rfc4181-update (RFC 4181 Update to Recognize the IETF Trust) to BCP [WAS: Gen-art review of draft-heard-rfc4181-update-00.txt]

2007-02-13 Thread Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)
Mike's assessment seems reasonable to me. Dan -Original Message- From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:36 AM To: C. M. Heard Cc: IETF; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); GEN-ART Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-heard-rfc4181-update (RFC 4181

About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi, As devoted readers may have noticed, quite a few Gen-ART reviews have been copied to this list recently, with follow-up postings in some cases. Is this a good or a bad thing? Comments welcome. Brian (as General AD) ___ Ietf mailing list

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Brian, As a recent victim of a Gen-ART review, I can only say that it improved the quality of the RFC-to-be (thanks, Spencer!). And the reviews might encourage other people to read the draft that might not otherwise had a chance to be aware of it. So yeah, keep them coming! Cheers, Andy On

RE: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Gray \(LO/EUS\)
Brian, I think it would be a bad thing if it was a general rule. At the level/frequency applied to date, it's a good thing. Thanks! -- Eric Gray Principal Engineer Ericsson -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13,

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Eliot Lear
Andrew G. Malis wrote: As a recent victim of a Gen-ART review, I can only say that it improved the quality of the RFC-to-be (thanks, Spencer!). And the reviews might encourage other people to read the draft that might not otherwise had a chance to be aware of it. So yeah, keep them coming!

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Baugher
My experience is that Gen-ART reviews are very useful. Whether they need to be posted to this list or not is another question. I think they would be just as useful without the posting, but I like to at least see the initial review. I don't think the issues need to be resolved on this list,

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Julian Reschke
Mark Baugher schrieb: My experience is that Gen-ART reviews are very useful. Whether they need to be posted to this list or not is another question. I think they would be just as useful without the posting, but I like to at least see the initial review. I don't think the issues need to be

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Russ Housley
I think that Gen-ART reviews should be treated like any other IETF Last Call comments. The reviews themselves are very useful, especially when the assignment causes cross-area review. However, I do not think that the reviews carry the same weight as other IETF Last Call comments. As such,

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 4:47 PM +0100 2/13/07, Julian Reschke wrote: Mark Baugher schrieb: My experience is that Gen-ART reviews are very useful. Whether they need to be posted to this list or not is another question. I think they would be just as useful without the posting, but I like to at least see the initial

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Russ Housley
[Rending after correcting a silly typo...] I think that Gen-ART reviews should be treated like any other IETF Last Call comments. The reviews themselves are very useful, especially when the assignment causes cross-area review. And, I think that the reviews carry the same weight as other

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Adrian Farrel
Brian, My view may be no surprise to you. All reviews (including GenArt) and the subsequent discussions should be copied to *some* mailing list so that the whole process is both public and archived. Copying the WG mailing list would be best, but may be a pain because the reviewer is not

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Tuesday, February 13, 2007 08:33:44 PM + Adrian Farrel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main IETF mailing list is a compromise, but not particularly good as it may obscure the other traffic on the list. Oh, yes; it would be a shame if discussion of documents in IETF Last Call caused

Re: About Gen-ART reviews

2007-02-13 Thread Eliot Lear
Adrian Farrel wrote: The main IETF mailing list is a compromise, but not particularly good as it may obscure the other traffic on the list. I think obscuring the other traffic on this list with information pertinent to the primary purpose of this organization is a good thing. Eliot

Re: Last Call: draft-heard-rfc4181-update (RFC 4181 Update to Recognize the IETF Trust) to BCP [WAS: Gen-art review of draft-heard-rfc4181-update-00.txt]

2007-02-13 Thread Jeffrey Hutzelman
On Monday, February 12, 2007 10:26:13 AM -0800 C. M. Heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The title of the draft could be more explicit. Now it mentions RFC 4181. It could also indicate that it is an update to the Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of MIB Documents. I disagree with this

WG Review: Recharter of SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple)

2007-02-13 Thread IESG Secretary
A modified charter has been submitted for the SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions (simple)working group in the Real- time Applications and Infrastructure Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for

WG Review: Congestion and Pre-Congestion Notification (pcn)

2007-02-13 Thread IESG Secretary
A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Transport Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by February 19th. +++