Re: Call for review of proposed update to ID-Checklist

2008-08-12 Thread Frank Ellermann
Russ Housley wrote: > I do not think that an Internet-Draft is needed. The source is already a variant of xml2rfc input, from there it's easy to arrive at plain text output for the ordinary diff tools. Adding version numbers for archiving working with the diff tool could be as simple as "use

Re: Last Call for Comments on " Legal Provisions Related to IETFDocuments"

2008-08-12 Thread Frank Ellermann
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > How about adding some weasel words, or even simply making the > attribution requirement a "should"? I tend to forget the details, but IIRC we have a SHOULD for an attribution elsewhere (not in the part about code). If that is very clear folks might arrive at the conclu

Re: Last Call for Comments on " Legal Provisions Related to IETF Documents"

2008-08-12 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 9:33 AM +1200 8/13/08, Brian E Carpenter wrote: How about adding some weasel words, or even simply making the attribution requirement a "should"? I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask for attribution when possible, so any form of words that doesn't "break" the BSD license in a narrow legali

Re: Call for review of proposed update to ID-Checklist

2008-08-12 Thread Russ Housley
I am working on a solution for this with the Secretariat. It is one aspect of the web site redesign project. I do not think that an Internet-Draft is needed. Russ At 11:40 AM 8/9/2008, Bert Wijnen \(IETF\) wrote: (1) Archive older versions in a plain text format as forI-Ds (for use with

Re: Last Call for Comments on " Legal Provisions Related to IETF Documents"

2008-08-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
How about adding some weasel words, or even simply making the attribution requirement a "should"? I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask for attribution when possible, so any form of words that doesn't "break" the BSD license in a narrow legalistic sense would do fine for me. It's not like we're

RE: Failing of IPR Filing Page when makling updates in re LTANS andother filings.

2008-08-12 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > Scott Brim asked: > > How can a description of how to use a technology infringe on a patent? > > It can't. :-) This isn't an entirely accurate and I'm always worried about inaccurate assertions from a lawyer. I think that one must be completely forthr

Re: Last Call for Comments on " Legal Provisions Related to IETF Documents"

2008-08-12 Thread Ray Pelletier
NEW DOCUMENT Dated 8-12-08 This is to announce that the IETF Trustees have just posted a revised version of a draft policy on "Legal Provisions Related to IETF Documents" dated 08-12-08 at: http://trustee.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html There is also a Comparison document and a separate Co

RE: Failing of IPR Filing Page when makling updates in re LTANS andother filings.

2008-08-12 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Scott Brim asked: > How can a description of how to use a technology infringe on a patent? It can't. :-) But neither does IETF have any responsibility to parse and evaluate any of the frivolous claims made in IPR disclosures. Responding to loose IPR claims in public here only gives them undeserve

Re: Failing of IPR Filing Page when makling updates in re LTANS and other filings.

2008-08-12 Thread Scott Brim
On 8/12/08 12:02 PM, TS Glassey allegedly wrote: As to the IPR Page - it does not allow for updates of already filed IPR Statement's to include new IETF documents which violate the patent rights after the posting of the IPR Notice. How can a description of how to use a technology infringe on a

Failing of IPR Filing Page when makling updates in re LTANS and other filings.

2008-08-12 Thread TS Glassey
Folks - I found several working flaws with the IPR disclosure page when I went back to the IPR201 filing this AM to add several additional Internet Draft's for notice of Patent Controls; As to the IPR Page - it does not allow for updates of already filed IPR Statement's to include new IETF documen

Re: Last Call for Comments on " Legal Provisions Related to IETF Documents"

2008-08-12 Thread Paul Hoffman
As someone who always prefers the BSD license, I agree with Simon on #1 and #2. Saying "BSD except..." means it is a new type of license, one that typical implementers will not expect. One way to look at this is to consider what happens if someone treats this as a real BSD license and doesn't

Prague (ietf-68) t-shirt laundry mix-up.

2008-08-12 Thread Christian Hopps
Hi, I'm hoping to get in touch with an IETF-72 attendee who stayed at the conference hotel, who did laundry and included their blue prague ietf t-shirt size 2-xlarge and received back a size large instead. I have you're 2xl and you have my large, please contact me so we can exchange. :)