Re: Dublin proceedings

2008-09-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks all. Some trouble getting caches flushed all the way to China. Adrian I'm not sure where you started, but I find the proceedings at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/index.html I go there directly from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings_directory.html The last url (accessed before

Re: Dublin proceedings

2008-09-22 Thread SM
At 09:52 22-09-2008, Russ Housley wrote: I'm not sure where you started, but I find the proceedings at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/index.html I go there directly from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings_directory.html The last url (accessed before Monday, 22 September 2008 16:41:44 GMT

Re: Dublin proceedings

2008-09-22 Thread Russ Housley
I'm not sure where you started, but I find the proceedings at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/index.html I go there directly from: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings_directory.html Russ At 11:21 AM 9/22/2008, Adrian Farrel wrote: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings_directory.html points to ht

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:07:12 -0700 (PDT) The IESG wrote: > > The IESG has received the attached text for a proposed IESG Statement: > IESG Statement on the Usage of Assignable Codepoints in Specification > Examples > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final

Re: Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-sip-xcapevent-03

2008-09-22 Thread Jari Urpalainen
Thanks Spencer, comments in-line On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 14:16 -0500, ext Spencer Dawkins wrote: > I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) > reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see > http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). > > Please re

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-usefor-usepro (Netnews Architecture and Protocols) to Proposed Standard

2008-09-22 Thread Russ Allbery
(I am not a subscriber to the ietf list and would appreciate copies of replies.) SM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Section 3.4 of this I-D states that: > > "Contrary to [RFC2822], which implies that the mailbox or mailboxes in >the From header field should be that of the poster or posters, a

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-psamp-info (Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports) to Proposed Standard

2008-09-22 Thread Benoit Claise
Dear all, Because dataLinkFrameSize and dataLinkFrameSection have been removed, the editor renumbered all the I.E. assignments. That could generate some problems for existing implementations, if any. However, I can live with that. However, where there is a bigger problem is that IANA is working

RE: FW: IETF copying conditions

2008-09-22 Thread Black_David
Larry, > Paul Hoffman wrote: > > Which SDOs that you participate in want to see other SDOs publishing > > *incompatible* versions of their protocols? > > Hi Paul, > > Of course none of the SDOs that I work with want to see incompatible > versions. But this turns the issue on its head. Open sour

RE: FW: IETF copying conditions

2008-09-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Hoffman writes ("RE: FW: IETF copying conditions"): > Which SDOs that you participate in want to see other SDOs publishing > *incompatible* versions of their protocols? The Debian project has published a small (by IETF standards) but significant body of work specifying the interoperation and

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread SM
At 03:01 22-09-2008, Magnus Westerlund wrote: As I stated in response to John's question. No, the spam problem for us contributors are one of the prices to contribute to IETF unfortunately. Item (1) takes us one step closer to discouraging the publication of email addresses instead of seeing i

Dublin proceedings

2008-09-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings_directory.html points to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/72/materials.html points back to http://www.ietf.org/proceedings_directory.html Huh? Am I missing something? Adrian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org htt

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
Magnus Westerlund wrote: From my point of view the long usage and the lack of actual reported issues and minimal impact a change would have on the situation is why I cleared when I finally was engaged in any discussion on the issue. Magnus, Offhand, it would seem as if these ought to

Last Call for comments on "IETF Trust Legal Provisions" (dated 09-19-08)

2008-09-22 Thread Ed Juskevicius
This message is an update for the community on the IETF Trustee's progress towards adopting a policy on "Legal Provisions for IETF Documents", pursuant to the last two remaining I-Ds from the IPR WG. The Trustees met via telechat last Thursday. We reviewed the draft policy (as posted to the Trus

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks
I think that this statement is reasonably clear, and I support it. To be pedantic, a statement that an RFC author's contact information is not an example could be added. Regards Marshall On Sep 18, 2008, at 1:07 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received the attached text for a proposed IE

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Magnus Westerlund
John, I might be to much a protocol designer to be a good writer of rule documents. I will take your, Spencer's and Dave's input when reformulating the note. Cheers Magnus John C Klensin skrev: --On Monday, 22 September, 2008 11:40 +0200 Magnus Westerlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi J

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Magnus Westerlund
Doug Ewell skrev: Magnus Westerlund wrote: I think any one of us would be might irritated to learn that the suddenly started receive spam in large quantities because someone published their address in example in an internet draft or RFC. and later: And I would be kind of annoyed if anyone

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
Magnus Westerlund wrote: I have tried to write a statement that allows the IESG to use common sense. However, the problem I have seen several times when the IESG tries to use common sense in issues that comes up regularly is that some people complains about not knowing about this and that we

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
Spencer Dawkins wrote: While not even dreaming of trying to speak for John, what I understood his point to be was that our process is, and needs to be, more than a set of rules. ... On this particular topic, I've been really dismayed that we've gotten so far into the weeds on what was obviou

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Doug Ewell
Magnus Westerlund wrote: I think any one of us would be might irritated to learn that the suddenly started receive spam in large quantities because someone published their address in example in an internet draft or RFC. and later: And I would be kind of annoyed if anyone of you decided to p

Late Last Call Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-avt-rfc4749-dtx-update-01

2008-09-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-avt

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Magnus Westerlund
Spencer Dawkins skrev: Hi, Magnus, While not even dreaming of trying to speak for John, what I understood his point to be was that our process is, and needs to be, more than a set of rules. You guys are going to get complaints (and you know that better than I do). But you're going to get co

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 22 September, 2008 11:40 +0200 Magnus Westerlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John, > > I have tried to write a statement that allows the IESG to use > common sense. However, the problem I have seen several times > when the IESG tries to use common sense in issues that comes > u

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hi, Magnus, While not even dreaming of trying to speak for John, what I understood his point to be was that our process is, and needs to be, more than a set of rules. You guys are going to get complaints (and you know that better than I do). But you're going to get complaints whether there i

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Magnus Westerlund
SM skrev: 1) Spam: apparently valid email addresses in an RFC are widely believed to have been harvested and included in Spam lists. The domain may receive spam at mailboxes other than the one used in the example email address, if the domain name is used in common name or brute force attacks.

Re: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Magnus Westerlund
Hi John, I have tried to write a statement that allows the IESG to use common sense. However, the problem I have seen several times when the IESG tries to use common sense in issues that comes up regularly is that some people complains about not knowing about this and that we can't enforce it

RE: Call for review of proposed IESG Statement on Examples

2008-09-22 Thread Pasi.Eronen
John C Klensin wrote: > I continue to believe that the IESG could do something much easier > and much more effective by issuing, not a collection of new rules, > but a simple statement requiring that people either use > suitably-reserved and dedicated identifiers or that they explain, > explicitly

Re: ROHC v1 and its problems

2008-09-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 04:28:43PM +0530, Karthik Balaguru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 44 lines which said: > What are the major and minor problems with ROHC v1 ? > Can anyone give me a link that explains the problems with ROHC v1 ? [Warning: I'm not an expert in ROHC.] May be star