RFC Editor RFI and rfc-editor-...@ietf.org

2009-01-08 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. I received a note asking whether I had intentionally not copied my note to rfc-editor-...@ietf.org as the draft RFI announcement requested. The answer, for several reasons, is yes, it was intentional. One of those reasons is perhaps worth bringing to the community's attention: This list

Re: [73attendees] new visa rules

2009-01-08 Thread Huub van Helvoort
Hi Iljitsch, You replied: This is to inform you that, effective January 12, 2009, the requirements to travel visa-free into the United States will be changed. Nationals of Visa Waiver Program countries will still be eligible to travel without a visa, but will have to obtain an approved

Re: Last Call: RFC Editor Services Draft RFI

2009-01-08 Thread Leslie Daigle
Hi John, As an individual who happens to find herself on the RFP subcommittee, I'd like to follow up a few points, below. I have added rfc-editor-...@ietf.org to the cc line (having seen your follow up note) as it is my understanding that the intention was for that list to be publicly

Re: Last Call: RFC Editor Services Draft RFI

2009-01-08 Thread Ray Pelletier
On Jan 7, 2009, at 11:57 PM, John C Klensin wrote: This document is hard to comment on because it raises, and mixes, a number of separate issues. A large number of those involve questions that the RFI responses might reasonably address; I have omitted those from these comments unless they are

Re: Last Call: RFC Editor Services Draft RFI

2009-01-08 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, January 08, 2009 13:09 -0500 Ray Pelletier rpellet...@isoc.org wrote: (13) The Production Center is committed to follow the provisions of a Style Manual that does not exist today, is unlikely to exist when the RFP goes out, and may become the first task for the

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Ed, Thanks for this. As I understand it, the proposal boils down to adding a disclaimer to affected documents that reads: This document contains material from IETF Documents or IETF Contributions published before November 10, 2008 and, to the Contributor’s knowledge, the person(s) controlling

RFC Editor Services - IAB Role

2009-01-08 Thread Russ Housley
John: (6) In several places in the document, especially in the SOW for the RFC Series Editor and Independent Submission Editor, various actors are required to work with various other actors. That language, in context, implies that no one is in charge (or everyone is) and is the sort of thing

Re: Leveraging content and developing voice: new publication(s)?

2009-01-08 Thread Leslie Daigle
FYI -- we're still looking for people to complete this survey: If you have thoughts about how the IETF's work could or should be brought to more visibility through such a publication, please feel free to participate in this research study by following this link:

Gen-ART LC review of draft-atlas-icmp-unnumbered-06

2009-01-08 Thread Ben Campbell
I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document:

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-08 Thread TSG
Ed Juskevicius wrote: Ed - you nor the rest of this list is going to like this retort but I would ask that you read all of it prior to flushing the response. The purpose of this message is twofold: 1) To summarize the issues that some members of our community have experienced since the

Re: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
+1 to fred's proposal, let the exceptions be just that and don't bother most I-D authors, Stephen. On 8 Jan 2009, at 22:49, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: You asked me to make this comment publicly, so here it is. In my opinion, we need a 5378-bis that keeps the good bits but corrects

RE: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-08 Thread Ed Juskevicius
Todd, Thank You for your comments. I've read them. Carefully. Three times. I'm not sure if we are on the same page. For example, you wrote: Which brings us back to the issue of that the Trust MAY not rewrite licenses for any IP that the IETF processed under RFC2026 unless ALL of the parties

Re: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-08 Thread John C Klensin
Stephen and Fred, One of the interesting issues with 5378 is that there has never been consensus about what problem(s) it was trying to solve. The WG reached consensus on the two documents without, IMO, reaching consensus on the problem statement. Nothing in our procedures prohibits that,

Re: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-01-09 13:59, Stephen Farrell wrote: +1 to fred's proposal, let the exceptions be just that and don't bother most I-D authors, Stephen. On 8 Jan 2009, at 22:49, Fred Baker f...@cisco.com wrote: You asked me to make this comment publicly, so here it is. In my opinion, we need a

Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-atlas-icmp-unnumbered-06

2009-01-08 Thread Ben Campbell
On Jan 8, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Naiming Shen wrote: Hi Ben, Thanks for the review. Just to comment on the Security Considerations you referred to below. Most of those information probably is not sensitive, if a router allows a traceroute packet to go through; Also this draft references to

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2009-01-08 Thread Thomas Narten
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meeting attendance nomcom

2009-01-08 Thread Eliot Lear
Dear all, I don't know about other companies, but mine has pretty tight travel restrictions right now. I do not yet know if I will make the San Francisco IETF or Stockholm. I suspect attendance at both will be way down, but it's a hunch. If others are in the same position, it will lead to