RE: Ietf Digest, Vol 10, Issue 76

2009-03-24 Thread aziz temmar
em nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > >Melinda > > > > >___ > > > > >Ietf mailing list > > > > >Ietf@ietf.org > > > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >

Re: IPR/Copyright

2009-03-24 Thread Ray Pelletier
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:53 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: A bit agreement with John and Scott. Let's close this up and move on. Cheers, Andy I agree with the following additional mods to the Trust License Policy at http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/IETF-Trust-License-Policy.pdf 6. Text To Be Inclu

Re: IPR/Copyright

2009-03-24 Thread Andrew G. Malis
A bit agreement with John and Scott. Let's close this up and move on. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Scott Brim wrote: > John, I believe you read the consensus right.  "authors obtain all of > the rights they are willing to". > > Excerpts from John C Klensin on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 0

Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Douglas Otis
On Mar 23, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Steven M. Bellovin wrote: It's happened to me twice, with two different lists of his. I've complained to him, but to no avail. I wonder if the CAN SPAM act applies. IANAL but my impression is that it definitely does apply, possibly mu

request for community assistance regarding TICTOC requirements

2009-03-24 Thread Yaakov Stein
Hi all, The TICTOC WG is finalizing the scope of its requirements draft. As of now the draft has information regarding the timing requirements for -Cellular Backhauling -Circuit Emulation -Test and Measurement -ToD over the general Internet we have still unintegrat

Re: IPR/Copyright

2009-03-24 Thread SM
At 16:35 24-03-2009, John C Klensin wrote: I just attended the IPR ("Pre-5398 Problem") BOF and want to share an impression and suggestion. While one could debate details of text and procedures endlessly, reopen old battles, etc., there is really only one issue at this point, and that issue is

Proposal RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
I suggest that all mail that is cross posted to Mr Andreson IETF-Honest or whatever other spam list Mr Spammer decides to create be blocked from all IETF lists. That way any IETF-er who feeds the troll will not anoy the rest. And any IETF-er who blacklists Mr Spammer and his spam lists will ha

Re: IPR/Copyright

2009-03-24 Thread Scott Brim
John, I believe you read the consensus right. "authors obtain all of the rights they are willing to". Excerpts from John C Klensin on Tue, Mar 24, 2009 07:35:55PM -0400: > Hi. > > I just attended the IPR ("Pre-5398 Problem") BOF and want to > share an impression and suggestion. > > While one co

IPR/Copyright

2009-03-24 Thread John C Klensin
Hi. I just attended the IPR ("Pre-5398 Problem") BOF and want to share an impression and suggestion. While one could debate details of text and procedures endlessly, reopen old battles, etc., there is really only one issue at this point, and that issue is whether the community wants to

RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Von Wootten, Karl
Dean, I feel that this issue has gone on Long enough It seems to me that by not allowing people to opt out and by unsolicited subscriptions you are only damaging your own reputation. I read what is posted to the lists I subscribe to so that I can do my job better. Not to waste time with these si

Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Dean, The web interface is broken. I don't have the initial password and it won't send me a new one. Please cease and desist this nonsense and unsubscribe me promptly, I never asked to be on your list, nor did anyone else that you added. You're a spammer, plain and simple. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen

Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
The newly minted RFC 5429 offers a solution: if envelope :domain :contains "from" ["av8.net", "av8.com", "iadl.org"] { ereject "go away"; stop; } -- Kurt ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread David Morris
I was subscribed and was able to unsubcribe w/o any difficulties so as to make the experience memorable. I would much prefer to not have been bothered. I recall very fondly the list filtered relay Fred mentions ... unfortunately, one day it just stopped functioning w/o warning. Dave Morris

Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Ole Jacobsen
I think he added the ietf list as a whole. When I tried to unsubscribe it said I needed a password which it never sent, so I assume I am not "on" his list the strict sense. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415

comments on draft-ietf-avt-seed-srtp-09.txt

2009-03-24 Thread David McGrew
Hello, I have some concerns about draft-ietf-avt-seed-srtp-09; there are several issues that deserve to be addressed. This message is a response to the last call. There is no definition of how CCM and GCM are to be used to protect RTCP. It would not be possible to use this specification

Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Fred Baker
well, question. Did he actually do that, or did he make a mailing list that has one member - the IETF list - to which he can add other members as he chooses? You may recall that at some point in the past we had the opposite. Someone set up a mailing list that was subscribed to ietf@ietf.org

Re: NoteWell use pertains to the IETF Mailing Lists too - but hey - anyone with half a brain should have known that - WAS: Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:25:50AM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote: > Todd, if you can't figure out the differences between > an IP address and an email address, delivering packets and > delivering email, well, I don't know. > > And Dean's *not* "the IETF." The IETF has some people > acting in designat

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New FAQ on IETF Copyright Policy available (FYI)

2009-03-24 Thread Ed Juskevicius
Simon, Thank you for your message. > ... is there any particular reason why IETF Trust documents aren't written > using the excellent xml2rfc tool? Actually ... no. This is a good suggestion. Best Regards, Ed On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Ed Juskevicius writes:

Re: NoteWell use pertains to the IETF Mailing Lists too - but hey - anyone with half a brain should have known that - WAS: Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Melinda Shore
Todd Glassey CISM CIFI wrote: Sorry Melinda - boy are your wrong - and you need to know that you may need to get legal advice on this - because you nor anyone else here owns their own IP addresses anymore... you gave them away to the IETF when you submitted them to the IETF under the NoteWell p

NoteWell use pertains to the IETF Mailing Lists too - but hey - anyone with half a brain should have known that - WAS: Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Todd Glassey CISM CIFI
Melinda Shore wrote: I was auto-subscribed to Dean's "ietf-honest" mailing list, and I'm unhappy about it. Sorry Melinda - boy are your wrong - and you need to know that you may need to get legal advice on this - because you nor anyone else here owns their own IP addresses anymore... you gave t

RE: [Ietf-honest] Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"

2009-03-24 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
$100 so far And Dean is in my state so small claims is just down the road. -Original Message- From: ietf-honest-boun...@lists.iadl.org on behalf of Dean Anderson Sent: Mon 3/23/2009 10:46 PM To: John Levine Cc: ietf-hon...@lists.iadl.org; ietf@ietf.org; dcroc...@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [Ie

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New FAQ on IETF Copyright Policy available (FYI)

2009-03-24 Thread Simon Josefsson
Ed Juskevicius writes: > FYI, a well-written new FAQ has just been posted to the IETF Trust website. Thank you! This may sound as nit-picking, but is there any particular reason why IETF Trust documents aren't written using the excellent xml2rfc tool? I find the output from xml2rfc is more rea