Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

2009-12-01 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Simon Josefsson writes: Arnt Gulbrandsen a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no writes: Simon Josefsson writes: There is no requirement in the IETF process for organizations to disclose patents as far as I can see. The current approach of only having people participate, and disclose patents, in the

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Yoav Nir
On Nov 30, 2009, at 5:37 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG (tls) to consider the following document: - 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension ' draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation-01.txt as a Proposed Standard

Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

2009-12-01 Thread Tobias Gondrom
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Simon Josefsson writes: Arnt Gulbrandsen a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no writes: Simon Josefsson writes: There is no requirement in the IETF process for organizations to disclose patents as far as I can see. The current approach of only having people participate, and

Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

2009-12-01 Thread Simon Josefsson
Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com writes: Simon Josefsson allegedly wrote on 11/30/2009 10:11 AM: There is no requirement in the IETF process for organizations to disclose patents as far as I can see. The current approach of only having people participate, and disclose patents, in the IETF is

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Bodo Moeller
On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:37 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG (tls) to consider the following document: - 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension ' draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation-01.txt as a Proposed Standard The

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread David-Sarah Hopwood
The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG (tls) to consider the following document: - 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension ' draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation-01.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a

Maximum Packet Size Parameter M -- Re: [NSIS] Last Call: draft-ietf-nsis-qspec (QoS NSLP QSPEC Template) to Informational RFC

2009-12-01 Thread Gerald Ash
All,   Al Morton has recently raised concerns RE taking the Maximum Packet Size M parameter out of the QSPEC document.  Based on his comments (given below, along with other background), it appears that the M parameter should be put back into the QSPEC.   Please comment on whether the M

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-12-01 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
I am not so sure that immediately going to PS is the best approach considering the overall objective. My goal here would be to encourage the widest possible adoption of the spec by equipment manufacturers. The weakness I see in both the Microsoft and the Apple attempts to simplify ease of net

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Marsh Ray
Bodo Moeller wrote: There is no good reason for this asymmetry of having just the client's verify_data in the client's message, but both the client's and the server's verify_data in the server's message -- the latter is pure overhead, both in the specification and in the on-the-wire

RE: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Nasko Oskov
Bodo Moeller wrote: On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:37 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG (tls) to consider the following document: - 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension ' draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation-01.txt as a

RE: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport LayerSecurity (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) toProposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Rob P Williams
I support this draft. -Original Message- From: tls-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:tls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:38 AM To: IETF-Announce Cc: t...@ietf.org Subject: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport LayerSecurity (TLS)

RE: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport LayerSecurity (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
I disagree that the last call is premature. I realize that not everyone is happy with all aspects of the current document but a clear majority of people on the TLS list have voiced their support for it. I do not see any consensus that the existing approach is flawed, nor do I see evidence of an

Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Stefan Santesson
On 09-12-01 12:19 AM, David-Sarah Hopwood david-sa...@jacaranda.org wrote: The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG (tls) to consider the following document: - 'Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension '

'3GPP QoS Model for Networks Using 3GPP QoS Classes

2009-12-01 Thread Karthik Balaguru
Hi, I find only the draft version of draft-jeong-nsis-3gpp-qosm-02.txt . What is the latest development w.r.t '3GPP QoS Model for Networks Using 3GPP QoS Classes'. Any other related/alternative RFC available for this ? Thx in advans, Karthik Balaguru

Re: RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

2009-12-01 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-12-01 23:57, Simon Josefsson wrote: Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com writes: Simon Josefsson allegedly wrote on 11/30/2009 10:11 AM: There is no requirement in the IETF process for organizations to disclose patents as far as I can see. The current approach of only having people

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Dear colleagues, I have read draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-08. I have some comments. This is not an exhaustive or complete review, although I have shared some previous observations with the authors of the document. First, I must emphasise that, while I currently serve as one of the chairs

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-12-01 Thread SM
At 14:29 01-12-2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: The IANA Considerations section is a little coy in the way it notes that the document reserves .local. Moreover, the action is not merely to IANA, but strictly to ICANN, and I worry about the procedural rules for such an action. If there is a strong

NOT RECOMMENDED (was: Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation)

2009-12-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/1/09 7:49 PM, Martin Rex wrote: Stephen Farrell wrote: 7. 6.2 says: If servers wish to avoid attack they MUST NOT do stuff Isn't that equivalent to servers SHOULD NOT? I think a SHOULD NOT is better. (And that's the form used in section 7.) This might be confusion with ISO

RE: NOT RECOMMENDED (was: Re: [TLS] Last Call:draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation)

2009-12-01 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:06 PM To: m...@sap.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: NOT RECOMMENDED (was: Re: [TLS] Last Call:draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation) On

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-renegotiation (Transport Layer Security (TLS) Renegotiation Indication Extension) to Proposed Standard

2009-12-01 Thread Chris Newman
I strongly support publishing this draft either in its present form or with any modification that does not impact the protocol's security analysis. This the most time-sensitive and security-critical IETF draft with respect to impact on the Internet community that I have seen in 17 years of