Re: Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2010-01-04 Thread Alfred Hönes
John Levine wrote on the IETF main list: [ re _proto and _service names ] ... Yes, I noticed that. As far as I can tell, the only _name entries other than SRV protocols and services are _domainkey, _vouch, and _adsp. It would be nice to collect them all in one place. Yes, these underscore

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
I don't think it is a very good idea to attempt this type of work in the IETF. We have enough difficulty doing crypto algorithms and that is an area where we have tens of people with decades worth of expertise who pretty much mostly agree on the algorithms to use in any case. An unencumbered

Re: Corporate email attachment filters and IETF emails

2010-01-04 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Ab arrq - jr nyernql unir ebg13! On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Randy Presuhn randy_pres...@mindspring.com wrote: Hi - From: Richard L. Barnes rbar...@bbn.com To: IETF Member Dave Aronson ietf2d...@davearonson.com Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:46 AM

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqts-04

2010-01-04 Thread Kenji Kumaki
Hi, I reflected your comments and just submitted a new version(-05). Thanks, Kenji -- Kenji Kumaki, Ph.D. ke-kum...@kddi.com IP Network Department KDDI Corporation c31006de-2c8d-4116-88ed-6464b56f0...@estacado.net の、 Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-l3vpn-e2e-rsvp-te-reqts-04 において、 Ben

Re: [codec] WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Koen Vos
Quoting Phillip Hallam-Baker: MP3 and AC3 are the existing industry standards. These codecs are rarely used for real-time communications, mostly because of their high bitrates/poor quality for voice signals. So the most we are going to have is a document that brings together all the

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
We actually already have done work in this area, RFC 3951. What I think you say is that it in the IETF is hard to do work starting with a white sheet of paper. And I agree with that. I do though think that is not something special for IETF as an SDO, and I do specifically not think that is

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread John Levine
- 'Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones ' draft-jabley-reverse-servers-01.txt as a Proposed Standard By my reading, section 5 of this document asks IANA to delegate IN-ADDR-SERVERS.ARPA and IP6-SERVERS.ARPA to a set of nameservers, but it doesn't ask them to provide contents for the

Re: Spam Filter Y2.1K Bug

2010-01-04 Thread Glen
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 12:45:07PM -0800, Glen wrote: All - For those of you who may have experienced alcohol-related blackouts in the past 48 hours, please be advised that the year is now 2010. Good morning/day: I have received a surprising number of messages over the past 72 hours pointing

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread John R. Levine
The document aims to specify the names of the nameservers to which IN-ADDR.ARPA and IP6.ARPA can be delegated to, and nothing more. OK. Does that mean it'll take another RFC to do the actual delegation? Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies,

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec) Date: Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:57:56PM +0100 Quoting Patrik Fältström (p...@cisco.com): We actually already have done work in this area, RFC 3951. What I think you say is that it in the IETF is hard to do work starting with a

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Sam Hartman
I've been thinking about the codec issue for a while. I think it is really desirable for the IETF to charter this group. I don't think the charter should prohibit the working group from selecting some existing codec nor should it prohibit doing new work in this space.

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm not really particularly happy with Joe's two recent DNS drafts. They give me the impression as a reader that a lot of context is being hidden from me and that the implications of the draft are being carefully obscured so that I as a reviewer not involved in the process won't know what is

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:43:27PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: They give me the impression as a reader that a lot of context is being hidden from me and that the implications of the draft are being carefully obscured so that I as a reviewer not involved in the process won't know what is going

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Phil, [Replying from jab...@hopcount.ca rather than joe.ab...@icann.org, since the former is the address which is subscribed to the ietf@ietf.org list.] On 2010-01-04, at 16:46, Phil Pennock wrote: On 2010-01-04 at 06:08 -0800, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 14:43, Sam Hartman wrote: I'm not really particularly happy with Joe's two recent DNS drafts. If I can help clarify anything, please let me know. They give me the impression as a reader that a lot of context is being hidden from me and that the implications of the draft

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread John R. Levine
If you could me more substantive guidance as to where the documents could be improved, I'd be very happy. As things stand the best I can do is say I'm sorry :-) Well, OK. Is there a plan to move the DNS for in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa to the new set of servers? If so, what is it? Will it

RE: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Richard Shockey
+1 Emphatically If people want to do the work, why not let them try. If they cannot succeed then shut it down. That does bring up the more sensitive subject that the IETF as a whole needs to consider which is when can it be determined that a WG is not succeeding. That is a much much longer

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 17:40, John R. Levine wrote: If you could me more substantive guidance as to where the documents could be improved, I'd be very happy. As things stand the best I can do is say I'm sorry :-) Well, OK. Is there a plan to move the DNS for in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa to

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 17:59, Joe Abley wrote: On 2010-01-04, at 17:40, John R. Levine wrote: If you could me more substantive guidance as to where the documents could be improved, I'd be very happy. As things stand the best I can do is say I'm sorry :-) Well, OK. Is there a plan to move

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Sam Hartman
Joe == Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca writes: Joe On 2010-01-04, at 14:43, Sam Hartman wrote: I'm not really particularly happy with Joe's two recent DNS drafts. Joe If I can help clarify anything, please let me know. So, I think John is asking the questions well about the in-addr.arpa

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 19:23, Sam Hartman wrote: So, I think John is asking the questions well about the in-addr.arpa plan. OK. I hope the answers are helpful. For the sink.arpa, it would be good to explain why we want this name to exist. We *don't* want the name to exist; that's the point of

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, January 04, 2010 17:59 -0800 Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: ... The draft plan is to re-delegate IN-ADDR.ARPA and IP6.ARPA to dedicated servers, named according to the text you have read. The servers are to be operated by the five RIRs plus ICANN, making six operators in

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread John R. Levine
For the sink.arpa, it would be good to explain why we want this name to exist. We *don't* want the name to exist; that's the point of the draft. I presume that's what you meant? It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the motivation for adding SINK.ARPA when its semantics and

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 21:50, John R. Levine wrote: For the sink.arpa, it would be good to explain why we want this name to exist. We *don't* want the name to exist; that's the point of the draft. I presume that's what you meant? It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 21:40, John C Klensin wrote: Ok, Joe, a few questions since, as indicated in another note, you are generating these documents in your ICANN capacity: (1) If ICANN can re-delegate the servers for these domains without IAB or IETF action, why is IETF action needed to create

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread John R. Levine
It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the motivation for adding SINK.ARPA when its semantics and operations, at least for clients, appear identical to whatever.INVALID. I don't know that I have anything much to add to my previous answers to that question. Well, at this point

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-01-04, at 22:09, John R. Levine wrote: It would still be nice to put in an explanation of the motivation for adding SINK.ARPA when its semantics and operations, at least for clients, appear identical to whatever.INVALID. I don't know that I have anything much to add to my

Re: reserved names draft, was Defining the existence of non-existent domains

2010-01-04 Thread John Levine
I've done another version of my reserved names draft. This time it proposes four registries: 1. Reserved and special top level names. ARPA is special, the others are reserved. 2. Reserved and special second level names. EXAMPLE.COM, ORG, and NET are reserved in the RFCs. ICANN has many

Re: WG Review: Internet Wideband Audio Codec (codec)

2010-01-04 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 jan 2010, at 23.40, Sam Hartman wrote: I've been thinking about the codec issue for a while. I think it is really desirable for the IETF to charter this group. I don't think the charter should prohibit the working group from selecting some existing codec nor should it prohibit doing

Last Call: draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe (A SIP Event Package for Subscribing to Changes to an HTTP Resource) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'A SIP Event Package for Subscribing to Changes to an HTTP Resource ' draft-roach-sip-http-subscribe-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Last Call: draft-jabley-reverse-servers (Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones) to Proposed Standard

2010-01-04 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Nameservers for IPv4 and IPv6 Reverse Zones ' draft-jabley-reverse-servers-01.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

Re: [tlp-interest] Announcement of the new Trust Legal Provisions (TLP 4.0)

2010-01-04 Thread Ray Pelletier
On Dec 29, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: Season's Greetings! This message is to announce that the IETF Trustees have adopted on a new version of the Trust Legal Provisions (TLP), to be effective 28 December, 2009. The Grace period for old-boilerplate will