Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread Jari Arkko
I propose $40 for a seat at the table in the front of the meeting rooms, $20 for a seat toward the front with extra legroom and $100 for an exit row. Ability to escape seems most valuable ;-) Maybe we could also work out something based on premium Internet access ($29.90/day) vs. ability to

Using xml2rfc (was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII)

2010-03-23 Thread Doug Ewell
Martin Rex mrex at sap dot com wrote: If anything deserves the description 60's style document editing then it is the current xml2rfc processing, which requires a whole bunch of extra software, lots of manual processing steps, reading of lots of documentation and plenty of time and desire for

Re: Using xml2rfc (was: Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII)

2010-03-23 Thread Fred Baker
On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Martin Rex mrex at sap dot com wrote: If anything deserves the description 60's style document editing then it is the current xml2rfc processing, which requires a whole bunch of extra software, lots of manual processing steps, reading of

Re: Audio Streaming Update 3/21 - IETF 77 March 21-26, 2010

2010-03-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Yeah that's what the streamer is in California C. On 03/23/2010 03:22 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Dear Joel; Will the plenaries be streamed as California C ? Regards Marshall On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Greetings, The following is an update on the state of

Re: Audio Streaming Update 3/21 - IETF 77 March 21-26, 2010

2010-03-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/23/2010 06:59 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: I am a remote participant for, I think, the 4th time running. Things work really well, although it would be nice to have an official, digital only way to bridge in a remote *presenter*. Yaron Sheffer has been bridged via teamspeak(or was

Re: [NSIS] Last Call: draft-ietf-nsis-rmd (RMD-QOSM - The Resource Management in Diffserv QOS Model) to Experimental RFC

2010-03-23 Thread Georgios Karagiannis
Hi Jerry In my opinion the required bit example format is already specified in Section 4.1. I do not think that it is usefull to duplicate the information that is already givel elsewhere and copy it into this section. Regarding the bit level format example, what we are willing to do is to

RE: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTLABS)
Guess you are not that street smart, look at the corporation names on the name tags... IETF is bought -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave CROCKER Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:19 PM To: Thomson, Martin Cc: IETF Discussion

Re: Audio Streaming Update 3/21 - IETF 77 March 21-26, 2010

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Richardson
Joel == Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com writes: I am a remote participant for, I think, the 4th time running. Things work really well, although it would be nice to have an official, digital only way to bridge in a remote *presenter*. Yaron Sheffer has been bridged via

Re: Audio Streaming Update 3/21 - IETF 77 March 21-26, 2010

2010-03-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/23/2010 09:05 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: Joel == Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com writes: I am a remote participant for, I think, the 4th time running. Things work really well, although it would be nice to have an official, digital only way to bridge in a remote

Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
The corporate name on my nametag is there only because I filled that field in the registration form. Others haven't and don't have a corporation name. Besides, the corporation name is there not because Check Point has bought the IETF, but so that if I say that everyone should use a firewall,

Re: Bar BoF on Location Coherence Wednesday at 11:30 AM

2010-03-23 Thread Richard Barnes
This meeting will be held at 11:45 today in the Carmel room. Sorry for the late notice. --Richard On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: Hey all, This message is announcing a bar BoF (lunch BoF) on Location Coherence -- interoperability between different location protocols

Re: Audio Streaming Update 3/21 - IETF 77 March 21-26, 2010

2010-03-23 Thread Michael Richardson
Joel == Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com writes: Can you tell us where each piece went? It did include an audio bridge... i.e. Paul's laptop was emitting audio and the room mic was picking it up, right? Joel When I left the room the sip ata in the room was dialed into a

Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread todd glassey
On 3/23/2010 10:20 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote: The corporate name on my nametag is there only because I filled that field in the registration form. Others haven't and don't have a corporation name. When a corporation sends

Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread Yoav Nir
Agree. This was just in response to the IETF is bought message. This disclosure in important for identifying bias, I think. On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:03 AM, todd glassey wrote: On 3/23/2010 10:20 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com wrote:

Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread Fred Baker
By the way, I'm told that T-shirts have been ordered. We should have the opportunity to purchase them somewhere around here tomorrow or the next day. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Fred, thanks for this news. By the way, I'm told that T-shirts have been ordered. We should have the opportunity to purchase them somewhere around here tomorrow or the next day. Spencer ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: [77all] No Host for IETF 77

2010-03-23 Thread Tony Hansen
+5 Tony Hansen On 3/23/2010 5:17 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: Fred, thanks for this news. By the way, I'm told that T-shirts have been ordered. We should have the opportunity to purchase them somewhere around here tomorrow or the next day.

Re: Make the Internet uncensorable to intermediate nodes

2010-03-23 Thread Dean Willis
Greg Daley wrote: I would actually not encourage IETF to work on such a technology as this, particularly in the lead-up to IETF Beijing. That would be a serious affront to our hosts. It is quite important to ensure that the IETF particularly is not subject to any external party's agenda

Javascript timer for speakers

2010-03-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
A while back, someone shared (I think on the IETF list) a little quick javascript hack that when loaded into the browser, would display a countdown timer of the remaining amount of time that the speaker had to speak, and and when the speaker started to go over, the mm:ss numbers started counting

Re: Javascript timer for speakers

2010-03-23 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
http://edas.info/timer.php is a basic one. (EDAS is a site I run.) Henning On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: A while back, someone shared (I think on the IETF list) a little quick javascript hack that when loaded into the browser, would display a countdown timer of the

Re: Make the Internet uncensorable to intermediate nodes

2010-03-23 Thread todd glassey
On 3/23/2010 2:39 PM, Dean Willis wrote: Greg Daley wrote: I would actually not encourage IETF to work on such a technology as this, particularly in the lead-up to IETF Beijing. That would be a serious affront to our hosts. It is quite important to ensure that the IETF particularly is

Re: Javascript timer for speakers

2010-03-23 Thread Dave Aronson
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 18:41, Theodore Ts'o ty...@mit.edu wrote: A while back, someone shared (I think on the IETF list) a little quick javascript hack that when loaded into the browser, would display a countdown timer of the remaining amount of time that the speaker had to speak, and and

Re: Javascript timer for speakers

2010-03-23 Thread Lars Eggert
Here is mine. It's a hacked up (= simplified) version of some code that was apparently originally done by Rob Austein (I got it form someone else at some point). This reminds me that I still owe Rob the beer-ware beer... Title: Discussion Timer TimeRemaining 0:00 On

Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-23 Thread Samuel Weiler
Once again, we appear to be meeting in a hotel that's offering lower rates to the general public than they're offering to us. As of right now, the Best Available Rate at the Anaheim Hilton for tonight, 23 March 2010, is $119. The senior rate is $113. That's from hilton.com. With a 2 day

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-23 Thread Lou Berger
I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community deserves a detailed response on this topic from the secretariat... Lou On

Re: Make the Internet uncensorable to intermediate nodes

2010-03-23 Thread Mark Atwood
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Greg Daley gda...@netstarlogicalis.comwrote: I would actually not encourage IETF to work on such a technology as this, particularly in the lead-up to IETF Beijing. That would be a serious affront to our hosts. By as this, you are referring to both

RE: Make the Internet uncensorable to intermediate nodes

2010-03-23 Thread Greg Daley
Hi Mark, You are incorrect. I am not referring to IPSec, VPNs or Secure Shell. I am not even referring to TOR (I don't put the solution before the problem). I am referring to the goal: 1) Unsnoopable 2) Untraceable The set {IPSec, VPNs, SecSH} meet only the first of these. There is a

RFC 5787 on OSPFv2 Routing Protocols Extensions for Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Routing

2010-03-23 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5787 Title: OSPFv2 Routing Protocols Extensions for Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON) Routing Author: D. Papadimitriou Status:

Document Action: 'Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL packets' to Informational RFC

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL packets ' draft-ietf-ipsecme-esp-null-heuristics-07.txt as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the IP Security Maintenance and Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Pasi

Protocol Action: 'Clearance Attribute and Authority Clearance Constraints

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
Certificate Extension' to Proposed Standard The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Clearance Attribute and Authority Clearance Constraints Certificate Extension ' draft-ietf-pkix-authorityclearanceconstraints-03.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the

WG Action: Internet Area Working Group (intarea)

2010-03-23 Thread IESG Secretary
A new IETF working group has been formed in the Internet Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Internet Area Working Group (intarea) --- Current Status: Proposed Working Group Last modified:

Protocol Action: 'GSS-API: Delegate if approved by policy' to Proposed Standard

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'GSS-API: Delegate if approved by policy ' draft-lha-gssapi-delegate-policy-05.txt as a Proposed Standard This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Tim Polk. A URL

Last Call: draft-lawrence-sipforum-user-agent-config (Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) User Agent Configuration) to Informational RFC

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) User Agent Configuration ' draft-lawrence-sipforum-user-agent-config-00.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,

Protocol Action: 'A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Event Package for Session-Specific Session Policies.' to Proposed Standard

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Event Package for Session-Specific Session Policies. ' draft-ietf-sipping-policy-package-08.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Session Initiation Proposal Investigation

Document Action: 'Renumbering still needs work' to Informational RFC

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Renumbering still needs work ' draft-carpenter-renum-needs-work-05.txt as an Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Dan Romascanu. A URL of

Protocol Action: 'The TCP Authentication Option' to Proposed Standard

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The TCP Authentication Option ' draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt-11.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Lars Eggert and Magnus

WG Action: Peer-to-Peer Streaming Protocol (PPSP)

2010-03-23 Thread IESG Secretary
A new IETF working group has been formed in the Transport Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Peer-to-Peer Streaming Protocol (PPSP) -- Chair(s): Yunfei Zhang zhangyun...@chinamobile.com Cullen

Last Call: draft-ietf-eai-mailinglist (Mailing Lists and Internationalized Email Addresses) to Experimental RFC

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Email Address Internationalization WG (eai) to consider the following document: - 'Mailing Lists and Internationalized Email Addresses ' draft-ietf-eai-mailinglist-06.txt as an Experimental RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks,

Document Action: 'Identification of Communications Services in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)' to Informational RFC

2010-03-23 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Identification of Communications Services in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) ' draft-ietf-sipping-service-identification-04.txt as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Session Initiation Proposal Investigation