RE: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-02 Thread Yoav Nir
Partially agree. Just requiring a draft (that was not submitted within the meeting week) gives you a two-week waiting period. I'm not so sure about the mailing list requirement. One of the best presentations-posing-as-barBoF in IETF 77 was about a traceback experiment in Japan. They did writ

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-02 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Dear Joel; On Aug 1, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: In hallway discussion about this, it was suggested to me that part of the problem is that some folks can not figure out how to socialize their ideas. I would say that if a BarBOF is organized independent of the IETF process

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-02 Thread Yoav Nir
On Aug 2, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Dear Joel; > > On Aug 1, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > >> In hallway discussion about this, it was suggested to me that part >> of the problem is that some folks can not figure out how to >> socialize their ideas. >> > >

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-02 Thread Spencer Dawkins
In the case of the 2 BarBOFS I organized at IETF-78, in both cases there were very useful contributions made by people I didn't know and therefore wouldn't have invited. Even if the efforts fail (and one of them was DOA and will not move forward), I am glad to have had the opportunity to get to k

Contribution Corner Cases was Re: New Trust Copyright FAQ

2010-08-02 Thread t.petch
I am encountering two cases of Contributions where I am uncertain what my rights are. One is when material is not posted directly to an IETF list, rather a URL is provided in an e-mail to a WG list, pointing to a Word or pdf document or a page on a web site. Do the contents of such a document cou

Re: Contribution Corner Cases was Re: New Trust Copyright FAQ

2010-08-02 Thread todd glassey
On 8/2/2010 7:49 AM, t.petch wrote: > I am encountering two cases of Contributions where I am uncertain what my > rights > are. > > One is when material is not posted directly to an IETF list, rather a URL is > provided in an e-mail to a WG list, pointing to a Word or pdf document or a > page >

Re: Contribution Corner Cases was Re: New Trust Copyright FAQ

2010-08-02 Thread John Levine
>One is when material is not posted directly to an IETF list, rather a >URL is provided in an e-mail to a WG list, pointing to a Word or pdf >document or a page on a web site. Do the contents of such a document >count as a Contribution? Can I use the text from such a document in >my own I-D? RFC

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-02 Thread Yoav Nir
On Aug 2, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> In the case of the 2 BarBOFS I organized at IETF-78, in both cases >>> there were very useful contributions made by people I didn't know and >>> therefore wouldn't have invited. Even if the efforts fail (and one of >>> them was DOA and will