Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mif-problem-statement (Multiple Interfaces Problem Statement) to Informational RFC

2010-08-16 Thread Jari Arkko
Since someone asked about this, I wanted to clarify why and how new versions of this draft are being posted while the last call is going on. The document has been revised once in order to address two very minor details left over from the first round of my AD review (IMO not blocking issues), an

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/13/2010 10:40 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Based on a sample of 3 (Hiroshima, Anaheim and Maastricht) I am not at all sure your statement is factually correct. Tokyo would have been better than Hiroshima and Amsterdam might have been better than Maastricht and maybe "LA" (a big place) would hav

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, August 12, 2010 16:41 -0500 Barry Leiba wrote: >> I think Vancouver would be an excellent city for a recurring >> North American meeting.  There is a reasonable convenience >> factor in terms of nearby hotels, restuarants and food >> markets (there's an excellent one just a coupl

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
It's is certainly possible to make it to Hiroshima on a day trip from Tokyo. N1 leaves Tokyo at 0600 and arrives in Hiroshima at 0943 so you opinion is rather poorly informed. In a business context people do it all the time. Joel's iPad On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:48, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > >

IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread IETF Administrative Director
All; At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved the establishment of an online store from which the community can buy IETF logo wear. The store is at CafePress at: http://www.cafepress.com/ietf The store is maintained by the Internet Society and is expected to gen

RE: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Ross Callon
>> I think Vancouver would be an excellent city for a recurring >> North American meeting.  There is a reasonable convenience >> factor in terms of nearby hotels, restuarants and food >> markets (there's an excellent one just a couple blocks from >> the venue).  However, based on the poll, it seem

RE: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Ross Callon
By "people" I meant anyone who attends an IETF meeting. Your email does remind us that the set of people who responded to the survey does not necessarily match the set of people who attend IETFs (in the sense that some people, perhaps frequent IETF attendees, might be more likely to respond t

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Ole Jacobsen
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > Well, since the target market isn't really specified and the > criteria for satisfying it aren't specified, what's really going on > is a lot of private models that probably don't match. The target market was well specified in Hiroshima: Expose a new

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Ole Jacobsen
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, John C Klensin wrote: > > Ole, the obvious question here can be stated more or less as > follows: > > (1) The sponsor wants to expose a community in which they are > interested to our work. This was the case in Japan, yes. But I will remind you that we already have a "newcom

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: IETF Logo Wear Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 08:26:53AM -0700 Quoting IETF Administrative Director (i...@ietf.org): > Shouldn't everyone in your family have an IETF logo wear t-shirt? Indeed they should. Where are the child sizes? /Father of three Internet users -- Måns Nilsson pri

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Philip Nesser
We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 ---> Phil On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director wrote: > All; > > At the request of the community the IAOC and the IETF Trust have approved > the establish

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/16/2010 8:29 AM, Ross Callon wrote: I am not sure whether it is safe to extrapolate this to the conclusion that people don't want to rotate between just a few cities on a long term basis. By "people", you presumably mean the well-funded, frequent travelers who like to be entertained, as

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, August 16, 2010 11:05 -0700 Ole Jacobsen wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote: >> >> Well, since the target market isn't really specified and the >> criteria for satisfying it aren't specified, what's really >> going on is a lot of private models that probably don't

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-16 Thread Dave CROCKER
Disclaimer: I'm generally in favor of the Day Pass model, and I happen to think that attendance by tourists is fine. I think we must not make strategic decisions that affect our primary work, in order to accommodate tourists, but I think it well and good to make ourselves open to them.

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Alia Atlas
Or http://www.cafepress.com/+tcpip_infant_bodysuit,287721854 Alia On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: > We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: > http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 > > > --->  Phil > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IE

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Fred Baker
There's no place like ::1 On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: > We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: > http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_infant_bodysuit,88172 > > > ---> Phil > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:26 AM, IETF Administrative Director >

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Fred Baker
or http://www.pdphoto.org/PictureDetail.php?mat=&pg=7634 On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > There's no place like ::1 > > On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: > >> We obviously need an IETF branded one of these: >> http://www.cafepress.com/+theres_127001_in

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Sean Turner
I like: "Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept" Jon Postel I'm sure somebody who has been around longer than me can offer up a date ;) spt Fred Baker wrote: There's no place like ::1 On Aug 16, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Philip Nesser wrote: We obviously ne

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Fred Baker
IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws heavily from them. There have been many contributors to this document both in terms of concepts and in terms of text.

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Mark Nottingham
That's going to be hard to fit on a t-shirt, Fred. *ducks* On 17/08/2010, at 8:34 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > IEN 111, August 1979. The preface reads: > > This document describes the Internet Protocol. There have been three > previous editions of this specification, and the present text draws > h

RE: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Christian Huitema
Classic: IP over everything (dog optional) -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nottingham Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:05 PM To: Fred Baker Cc: wgcha...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF Logo Wear That's going to be

Re: IETF Logo Wear

2010-08-16 Thread Jorge Amodio
An updated version based on the 6LoWPAN and other fronts work could be: "IP on Anything" Cheers Jorge On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: > Classic: > > IP over everything > > (dog optional) > > -Original Message- > From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...