Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

2010-08-27 Thread Fernando Gont
Cullen Jennings wrote: Wow, I find this whole email thread shocking. Given the text explanation you get of F and L visa from the embassy web site, which Mary quoted below, I have a very hard time seeing how anyone comes to the conclusion that L (tourist) visa is the right visa for an IETF

Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

2010-08-27 Thread Fernando Gont
John E Drake wrote: Once you have the visa, you are done. I.e., Customs is not going to second-guess the validity of a visa issued by the Chinese consulate. Issuing visas is the consulate's responsibility. That's not correct. Having a visa does not imply that you will be allowed to enter a

Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-08-27 Thread Olaf Kolkman
On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: During my IAOC chair plenary talk at IETF78 (slides are in the proceedings) I asked a question about continuing the current meeting policy (3 in North America, 2 in Europe, 1 in Asia in two year period (3-2-1) ) or changing to a 1-1-1 policy

Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09

2010-08-27 Thread Olaf Kolkman
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:07 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi, I'm forwarding this message to the general IETF mailing list, because I think we need a good discussion on this and the confirmation from the secretariat/IAOC that this work will be done CORRECTLY NEXT TIME. The fact is that

Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

2010-08-27 Thread Olaf Kolkman
On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require business visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver program. I don't quite understand this discussion.

Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

2010-08-27 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Aug 27, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Olaf Kolkman wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Many countries we go to attend IETF meetings would probably require business visa but we go there as tourists on a visa waiver

Re: Tourist or business visa from US?

2010-08-27 Thread David A. Bryan
+1 When it comes to visas, it seems many people are expecting the immigration officials to be liberal in what they accept. Personally, I'd rather be conservative in what I send... David On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Cullen Jennings flu...@cisco.com wrote: Wow, I find this whole email

RE: IAB/IESG Joint Design Session on Forwarding Plane Operations, Administration and Maintenance

2010-08-27 Thread Ronald Bonica
Folks, Several members of the MPLS-TP community have indicated that they will be in Washington, D.C. from October 25 to October 27. In order to reduce their travel expenses and time away from home, they have asked if we could move the IAB/IESG Joint Design Session on Forwarding Plane

Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-08-27 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/26/2010 2:08 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: Thank you for providing this but this data seems to support something closer to 2-1-1 than 1-1-1 ... (and sorry I just joined the thread now - been on vacation ) Cullen, The rest of the thread explored this issue by a number of us, looking at

Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-08-27 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/26/2010 2:44 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: but I still don't see how people come to 1-1-1, could you enlighten me. I offered my own comments in the thread, including my version of wandering around the data. I even commented that 2-1-1 had some justification but that 1-1-1 appears to

Re: Is this true?

2010-08-27 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/26/2010 2:27 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Apart from that, it's scare-mongering. Consider that the basic model for IPv6 is not fundamentally different than IPv4; why would the underlying security vulnerabilities be fundamentally different? well, just to give that question its due,

Re: Is this true?

2010-08-27 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/26/2010 4:24 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 8/26/2010 2:27 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: why would the underlying security vulnerabilities be fundamentally different? ... True, but the same property means that scanning attacks are infeasible against IPv6 subnets. Attack tracking

Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09

2010-08-27 Thread Jiankang YAO
- Original Message - From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com To: jordi.pa...@consulintel.es Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero,Sat 07:09 On 8/26/10 6:01 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi

Comments on RPL-11

2010-08-27 Thread Reddy, Joseph
Hello, I would like to submit the following comments on RPL-11 draft. These comments were generated from at a ZigBee interop test event -Regards, Joseph 1. Clarification needed on whether ICMPv6 packets should have min size of 8 bytes. One of the RPL control packets is an ICMP with less

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings (Mapping Characters in IDNA) to Informational RFC

2010-08-27 Thread The IESG
On 29-Sep-2009, the IESG issued a Last Call draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings (Mapping Characters in IDNA). On 16-Mar-2010, Lisa Dusseault, the shepherding Area Director for this document, notified the IDNAbis Working Group that the IESG will not proceed with publication of this document. This message

Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-08-27 Thread Yoav Nir
On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: On 8/26/2010 2:08 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: Thank you for providing this but this data seems to support something closer to 2-1-1 than 1-1-1 ... (and sorry I just joined the thread now - been on vacation ) Cullen, The rest of the

Meeting Venue Preference Survey

2010-08-27 Thread Ray Pelletier
All; Do you have IETF meeting venue preferences? If so, the IAOC wants to know! Please take this survey at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8HPLZGJ Thanks! Ray IAD___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey

2010-08-27 Thread Michael StJohns
Hi Ray - I started to take this survey then bounced out of it on the second page. This comes under the heading of bad survey design. I object to the way gateway/secondary cities are defined here and specifically equating Maastricht with Minneapolis seems somewhat stacking the deck. What I'm

Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey

2010-08-27 Thread Michael Richardson
Michael == Michael StJohns mstjo...@comcast.net writes: Michael What I'm looking for in a meeting location is a venue with Michael both formal and informal meeting spaces where I stand a Michael good chance of having a good technical discussion with Michael random people at

Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey

2010-08-27 Thread Mary Barnes
I had the same reaction to the Maastricht comparison to any of those other cities in terms of equivalency. I added a comment in that regards to my responses. I agree 100% that the question is pretty useless if Maastricht is considered secondary. A survey of the number of hops (planes, trains and

FW: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for Nominations

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Walsh
-Original Message- From: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:58 PM To: IETF Announcement list Subject: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for Nominations Hi folks, The 2010-2011 Nominating committee is

Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey

2010-08-27 Thread James M. Polk
I'm going to pile on what Michael and Mary have already said, by saying the comparable list of cities (Minneapolis, Orlando, Vancouver, Barcelona, Prague) isn't even remotely close to including Maastricht. Each of the above cities are accessible internationally via air (as in: on

New Non-WG Mailing List: eman -- Discussions about the creation of an Energy Management Working Group

2010-08-27 Thread IETF Secretariat
A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: e...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/eman/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman Description: Discussions about the creation of an Energy Management Working Group. For additional

New Non-WG Mailing List: cso -- Pre-WG technical discussion of cross stratum optimization

2010-08-27 Thread IETF Secretariat
A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: c...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cso/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cso Description: This list is for pre-WG technical discussion of cross stratum optimization. For

Last Call: draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-08.txt (Session Description Protocol (SDP) Elements for FEC Framework) to Proposed Standard

2010-08-27 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the FEC Framework WG (fecframe) to consider the following document: - 'Session Description Protocol (SDP) Elements for FEC Framework' draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-08.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings (Mapping Characters in IDNA) to Informational RFC

2010-08-27 Thread The IESG
On 29-Sep-2009, the IESG issued a Last Call draft-ietf-idnabis-mappings (Mapping Characters in IDNA). On 16-Mar-2010, Lisa Dusseault, the shepherding Area Director for this document, notified the IDNAbis Working Group that the IESG will not proceed with publication of this document. This message

NomCom 2010-2011: Call for Nominations

2010-08-27 Thread NomCom Chair
Hi folks, The 2010-2011 Nominating committee is now seeking nominations through October 1, 2010. The list of open positions can be found at: http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/10/ Nominations may be made directly on the NomCom 2010-2011 pages by selecting the Nominate link at the top