Re: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-14 Thread Stefan Santesson
Peter, I'm not driven by any desire to mandate more complex name comparison than is called for. I just tend to think that it is better leave name comparison requirement up to local policy. However I think your argumentation is reasonable here and you convinced me. I agree that in the general

Re: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-14 Thread Stefan Santesson
Peter, After the past discussions, the remaining things on my review list are: General: consider substituting ³PKIX-based systems² and ³PKIX Certificates² with ³PKI systems based on RFC 5280² and ³RFC 5280 Certificates², alternatively include [PKIX] brackets to clarify that it references RFC

Re: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-14 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 14 01:03:39 2010, Stefan Santesson wrote: Under the current rules, using this example I read it that the following apply: - If you are just checking the SRVName you will not learn the legitimate host DNS name. So a certificate issued to host2.example.com will be accepted even

BOFs for IETF-79

2010-09-14 Thread Jari Arkko
We have received ten proposals for BOFs in for the upcoming meeting (on cloud computing, distributed mobility management, ARP improvements, light-weight IP stack, name-based sockets, home networking, datatracker spec review, network stratum query, DNS-based cryptographic security, secure content

Re: Last Call: draft-cridland-acap-vendor-registry (The Internet Assigned Number Authority (IANA) Application Configurations Access Protocol (ACAP) Vendor Subtrees Registry) to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread Dave Cridland
Thanks for your review, you've identified at least one error on my part for certain, and raised an issue of clarity I'd like to address. On Tue Aug 17 20:37:16 2010, John C Klensin wrote: This is very interesting. In the applications area during the last 15 years, I consider ACAP to be one

Re: Last Call: draft-cridland-acap-vendor-registry (The Internet Assigned Number Authority (IANA) Application Configurations Access Protocol (ACAP) Vendor Subtrees Registry) to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 14 12:21:04 2010, Dave Cridland wrote: On Tue Aug 17 20:37:16 2010, John C Klensin wrote: (1) Why not go all the way: rename the registry to something more neutral that avoids ACAP, update the two newer protocol specifications to point to the new registry, and advise IANA to include

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Noel Chiappa: I actually vaguely recall discussions about the TOS field (including how many bits to give to each sub-field), but I can't recall very much of the content of the discussions. If anyone cares, some of the IENs which document the early meetings might say more. See RFC 760,

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 9/13/2010 2:52 PM, Fred Baker wrote: What I find irritating with these discussions What I find irritating with these discussions is the tendency to get irritated. The other thing that is irritating is the tendency to dismiss or attack serious efforts to make serious comments. The

review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check-09

2010-09-14 Thread Wes Hardaker
I've reviewed draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check-09 and find it a good document and support it's forward progress. I do have a few comments though: (*): Applies to many of the comments below: some parts of the document read like a BCP in the way it tries to rationalize things. A number

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-14 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Who cares? William Shockley is considered by some to have 'founded' the modern field of electronics. Are we thus obliged to accept his bigoted and racist views on social issues? I am pretty sure that my ancestors did not anticipate parliamentary democracy as they raped and pillaged their way

Fw: Next steps with draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-def

2010-09-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
Please be aware of the status of this document that passed through IETF last call some time back. Adrian - Original Message - From: Adrian Farrel adrian.far...@huawei.com To: ops...@ietf.org Cc: Scott Bradner s...@harvard.edu; draft-ietf-opsawg-mpls-tp-oam-...@tools.ietf.org;

Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-14 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 08:12:47PM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote: On Mon Sep 13 18:59:03 2010, Stefan Santesson wrote: I agree here. Both to this and to former speakers stating that the assertion is made by the CA and no the subject. Well, I'd say the assertion is the presence of the SAN in

Re: [MEXT] Last Call: draft-ietf-mext-nemo-pd (DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation for NEMO) to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
- Original Message From: Laganier, Julien juli...@qualcomm.com To: Behcet Sarikaya sarik...@ieee.org; Alexandru Petrescu alexandru.petre...@gmail.com Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org; mext m...@ietf.org Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 3:38:54 PM Subject: RE: [MEXT] Last Call:

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Ole Jacobsen
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Dave CROCKER wrote: Maastricht suffered an impressive variety of problems. Worse, some of those problems have become a recurring pattern. As examples, we have had a significant number of venues in recent years that were distant from major transportation hubs and/or

Re: [certid] review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check-09

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/14/10 10:07 AM, Sean Turner wrote: I'd offered to review this version during the TLS session at IETF 78, but I think I'm going to wait for the next version ;) Yes, the authors will work to submit a revised I-D soon, based on all the feedback received so far. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre

Re: [certid] review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check-09

2010-09-14 Thread Sean Turner
I'd offered to review this version during the TLS session at IETF 78, but I think I'm going to wait for the next version ;) spt Wes Hardaker wrote: I've reviewed draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check-09 and find it a good document and support it's forward progress. I do have a few comments

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Janet P Gunn
I think San Diego was worse than Dublin in that respect. At least in Dublin there were free busses to the city center. Janet This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE:

Re: NAT behavior for IP ID field

2010-09-14 Thread Stephen Kent
... Curious; RFC2402 says Flags -- This field is excluded since an intermediate router might set the DF bit, even if the source did not select it. which is a licence to set the bit but I had not thought to reset the bit. RFC791, RFC1122 and RFC1812 would appear to be

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-14 Thread Bob Braden
On 9/14/2010 8:11 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: * Noel Chiappa: I actually vaguely recall discussions about the TOS field (including how many bits to give to each sub-field), but I can't recall very much of the content of the discussions. If anyone cares, some of the IENs which document the

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Michael Dillon
 As examples, we have had a significant number of venues in recent years that were distant from major transportation hubs and/or were distant from local resources such as the usual array of hotels, restaurants, markets and the like. Of these I can name only Dublin as falling into the

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Ole Jacobsen
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Michael Dillon wrote: Even if you are unwilling to accept these criticisms when CHOOSING venues, I am not at all unwilling to accept the criticisms, I was responding to the claim of a pattern. Maastricht clearly had problems, I think that has been stated more than once.

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Michael Dillon
Even in Dublin and Maastricht there were restaurant districts nearby for those with vehicles. Virtually no attendee had a vehicle ateither of those venues (or many others.) People willing to ride on a bus or pay for a taxi are those with vehicles. The point is that something which is too far

Re: All these discussions about meeting venues

2010-09-14 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Dave, I did not say there were not problems with Dublin, I said (and Michael concurred) that the steps taken to mitigate the issues helped significantly. I am not signalling out CityWest as some kind of ideal location for an IETF meeting, far from it. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and

Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-14 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Sep 14 16:45:12 2010, Shumon Huque wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 08:12:47PM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote: The requested DNS domain name for the specified service. That is, the domain name which would be found in the URI for the service, and other protocol identifiers of a similar

RE: [MEXT] Last Call: draft-ietf-mext-nemo-pd (DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation for NEMO) to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread Laganier, Julien
Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Laganier, Julien wrote: Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Laganier, Julien wrote: [...] [ I also note that this draft has been more than 2 years in the MEXT working group in which you are participating, which gave you ample time to comment on

Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-urgent-data-06

2010-09-14 Thread Richard L. Barnes
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-tcpm-urgent-data-06

Re: Time Shifting of Internet Traffic

2010-09-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2010-09-14 13:46, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: I am not finding the net neutrality debate according to K-Street to be very useful or stimulating. +1. No, +100. At the end of the day we have a limited amount of bandwidth available and we can help matters if people co-operate where it is

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2010-09-15 04:36, Bob Braden wrote: On 9/14/2010 8:11 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: * Noel Chiappa: I actually vaguely recall discussions about the TOS field (including how many bits to give to each sub-field), but I can't recall very much of the content of the discussions. If anyone

Re: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 9/14/10 1:58 AM, Dave Cridland wrote: On Tue Sep 14 01:03:39 2010, Stefan Santesson wrote: - If you just check the dNSName, you will miss the fact that you talk to the desiganted ldap server and not the xmpp server (even if that information is in the cert). Kind of. The rules

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Bennett
I wonder how many people realize that X.25 was a direct descendant of ARPANET, and that BBN became a leading supplier of X.25 hardware simply by continuing the IMP down its evolutionary path. The dialog on Internet regulation is world-wide. The EC has an open inquiry on it, and nations

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Bennett
Indeed, K St. think tanks were heavily involved in the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and 9/11. Like IPv6, it's all about the address. RB On 9/14/2010 6:25 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: If you have such a poor opinion of engineers, then why post here? In my experience, K-street think

Re: Time Shifting of Internet Traffic

2010-09-14 Thread Richard L. Barnes
Isn't this also basically the point of LEDBAT and CONEX? For applications to sense congestion and back off aggressively -- i.e., to time-shift themselves into the future? On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2010-09-14 13:46, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: I am not

Re: Time Shifting of Internet Traffic

2010-09-14 Thread Richard Bennett
There's future and then there's future. LEDBAT wants to sense congestion and back off to allow other apps with more pressing needs to use particular pipes, not so much to defer as to find less congested paths. The LEDBAT assumption is that there are many paths to the content, and in fact many

Protocol Action: 'Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) Extensions for TCP Allocations' to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) Extensions for TCP Allocations' draft-ietf-behave-turn-tcp-07.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance Working Group. The IESG contact

Protocol Action: 'Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) for Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP)' to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) for Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP)' draft-ietf-tsvwg-dtls-for-sctp-06.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Transport Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons

Protocol Action: 'Dynamic Symmetric Key Provisioning Protocol (DSKPP)' to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Dynamic Symmetric Key Provisioning Protocol (DSKPP)' draft-ietf-keyprov-dskpp-14.txt as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Provisioning of Symmetric Keys Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Tim Polk and Sean Turner.

PCP Working Group Virtual Interim Meeting, October 7, 2010

2010-09-14 Thread IESG Secretary
Topic: IETF PCP Interim Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010 Time: 7:00 am, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00) Meeting Number: 207 635 511 Password: ietf --- To join the meeting online(Now from the Apple iPhone (R) and other

Last Call: draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-15.txt (Unicast-Based Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions) to Proposed Standard

2010-09-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Audio/Video Transport WG (avt) to consider the following document: - 'Unicast-Based Rapid Acquisition of Multicast RTP Sessions' draft-ietf-avt-rapid-acquisition-for-rtp-15.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few

Document Action: 'Making TCP more Robust to Long Connectivity Disruptions (TCP-LCD)' to Experimental RFC

2010-09-14 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Making TCP more Robust to Long Connectivity Disruptions (TCP-LCD)' draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-lcd-03.txt as an Experimental RFC This document is the product of the TCP Maintenance and Minor Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact person is Lars

RFC 5939 on Session Description Protocol (SDP) Capability Negotiation

2010-09-14 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5939 Title: Session Description Protocol (SDP) Capability Negotiation Author: F. Andreasen Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF

RFC 5947 on Requirements for Multiple Address of Record (AOR) Reachability Information in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)

2010-09-14 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5947 Title: Requirements for Multiple Address of Record (AOR) Reachability Information in the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Author:

RFC 5970 on DHCPv6 Options for Network Boot

2010-09-14 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5970 Title: DHCPv6 Options for Network Boot Author: T. Huth, J. Freimann, V. Zimmer, D. Thaler Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF

RFC 5895 on Mapping Characters for Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) 2008

2010-09-14 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5895 Title: Mapping Characters for Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA) 2008 Author: P. Resnick, P. Hoffman Status: Informational

RFC 5950 on Network Management Framework for MPLS-based Transport Networks

2010-09-14 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 5950 Title: Network Management Framework for MPLS-based Transport Networks Author: S. Mansfield, Ed., E. Gray, Ed., K.

New Non-WG Mailing List: scap_interest -- Discussion List for IETFers interested in the Security Content Automation Protocol (SCAP)

2010-09-14 Thread IETF Secretariat
A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: scap_inter...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/scap_interest/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scap_interest Description: This list is for discussions relating to the applicability of

New Non-WG Mailing List: nscp -- DNS Nameserver control/configuration protocol discussion list

2010-09-14 Thread IETF Secretariat
A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: n...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nscp/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nscp Description: This list is intended for initial discussion relating to the development and

MARTINI WG Virtual Interim Meeting, September 27, 2010

2010-09-14 Thread IESG Secretary
The MARTINI WG will be holding a virtual Interim meeting on Monday, September 27, 2010 from 10 AM - 12 noon Pacific Time. Details on the meeting parameters will be posted to the MARTINI WG list: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/martini/current/maillist.html

WG Review: Energy Management (eman)

2010-09-14 Thread IESG Secretary
A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Operations and Management Area. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (i...@ietf.org) by

WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2010-09-14 Thread IESG Secretary
A modified charter has been submitted for the Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis) working group in the Applications Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the