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A question arose on the RFC-interest list, I observed that 20 years
ago I was one of the youngest IETF participants and 20 years later
that still seems to be the case.
I see some grad students and some postdocs in their 20s but not as
many as I think there should be. By now at least a third of
Hi Phil
After each meeting, Ray sends out a survey to all participants. The results
from the latest one:
When were you born?
Before 19502.9%
1950 - 1960 16.6%
1961 - 1970 33.7%
1971 - 1980 32.8%
After 198014.0%
I think an earlier survey had the 1971-1980 crowd inch
On Fri Apr 27 15:06:36 2012, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
A question arose on the RFC-interest list, I observed that 20 years
ago I was one of the youngest IETF participants and 20 years later
that still seems to be the case.
I suspect that there's a marked skew toward the older participants in
On Apr 27, 2012, at 16:41, Yoav Nir wrote:
Before 19502.9%
1950 - 1960 16.6%
1961 - 1970 33.7%
1971 - 1980 32.8%
After 198014.0%
Nice bell curve, יואב, but you can't pop that soap bubble of perception with
the bluntness of raw data :-)
Maybe just the areas where PHB
Personally, I think that may depend upon the Area in which you are active.
The RAI area from my perspective has a bunch of youngsters - mid-late 20s
30s. And, I'm not as old as some of you all ;)
Personally, I think IETF has far more of an issue when it comes to cultural
and gender diversity
Security could very well be an area that faces rather different
challenges to other areas.
It is pretty different to the other areas in that it is rather more
intimidating than most and there are many other forums where decisions
are made. The IETF doesn't even own X.509, that is ITU, it doesn't
On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
On Apr 27, 2012, at 16:41, Yoav Nir wrote:
Before 19502.9%
1950 - 1960 16.6%
1961 - 1970 33.7%
1971 - 1980 32.8%
After 198014.0%
Nice bell curve, יואב, but you can't pop that soap bubble of perception with
the
If I look around me, I see young people developing PHP, AJAX, … almost all of
this is not handled in IETF. If I look at company valuations recently, there
are at the same level in the stack: i.e. web apps. So I guess the plumbers
are getting old, but the designers are younger and not here.
+1 Lets not re-invent the wheel if not needed.
Alan
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From: nvo3-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:nvo3-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe
Pelissier (jopeliss)
Sent: April-25-12 7:35 PM
To: n...@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG Review: Network
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Phillip == Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com writes:
Phillip A question arose on the RFC-interest list, I observed that
Phillip 20 years ago I was one of the youngest IETF participants
Phillip and 20 years later that still seems to
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [hal...@gmail.com]
Security could very well be an area that faces rather different
challenges to other areas.
Of course -- In most areas, a creative, low-cost solution that works
90% of the time can be the basis of a new company, if not an entire
industry. In
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [hal...@gmail.com]
People can argue about process, RFC formats and governance but it
should be beyond argument that any institution that cannot recruit
younger members is going to die.
Well, the Internet as we know it is 30 years old now, and not changing
nearly
In addition to agreeing with Marc, I suspect it comes in waves. I imagine
there's a push of new stuff that comes in with new younger people, and then as
the Internet digests that, those people follow it along and clean it up over
the course of several years, meshing with the greybeards, and
On 04/27/2012 04:41 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
Hi Phil
After each meeting, Ray sends out a survey to all participants. The results
from the latest one:
When were you born?
Before 19502.9%
1950 - 1960 16.6%
1961 - 1970 33.7%
1971 - 1980 32.8%
After 198014.0%
The
On 4/27/12 8:42 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
The greybeards talk more. Especially in plenaries.
Ain't that the truth.
I didn't go to meetings for some number of years and when I
started going again I saw a *lot* of new faces, not all of
whom are young. It seems to me that a static
It seems to me that a static participant base would clearly
be more of an issue than age, per se. There's pretty clearly
some churn, whether it's because of an influx of people from
a new (to the IETF) geographic area, or because of an influx
of people wanting to work on a new (to the IETF)
On 4/27/12 9:34 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
ietf, nanog, ripe, ... meetings all generally have 1/3
newcomers. janog less so.
Sure, and organizational stability is good. But what I'm saying is
that over a period of several years I've noticed the appearance of
new constituencies. There was probably
+1.
Linda
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From: nvo3-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:nvo3-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Alan Kavanagh
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:55 PM
To: Joe Pelissier (jopeliss); n...@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG Review: Network
Maybe we would do better if we required attendees to dress as furries. Their
conventions seem to attract a younger crowd.
Sent from my iPhone
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Phillip Hallam-Baker
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012
Hi John,
Who proposes does !
Can't wait to see you in Vancouver ;)
Cheers,
R.
Maybe we would do better if we required attendees to dress as furries. Their
conventions seem to attract a younger crowd.
Sent from my iPhone
At 07:41 27-04-2012, Yoav Nir wrote:
After each meeting, Ray sends out a survey to all participants. The
results from the latest one:
When were you born?
Before 19502.9%
1950 - 1960 16.6%
1961 - 1970 33.7%
1971 - 1980 32.8%
After 198014.0%
These are the results from
--On Friday, April 27, 2012 10:34 -0700 Randy Bush
ra...@psg.com wrote:
It seems to me that a static participant base would clearly
be more of an issue than age, per se. There's pretty clearly
some churn, whether it's because of an influx of people from
a new (to the IETF) geographic area,
On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, SM wrote:
Mary Barnes is the only participant who mentions the gender problem. As
such, I gather that the IETF does not have a gender problem. :-)
The rest of us are too busy struggling to succeed in this male-dominated regime
to have time to read these threads.
I have been taking a look at the series and the problem is that the
brackets are just not granular enough.
If you were born in 1970 you would be 25 in 1995, the year the dotcom
bubble started to inflate. That was a really good time for someone
with networking experience to be starting out.
If
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Margaret Wasserman
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:25 PM
To: SM
Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List
Subject: Re: Is the IETF aging?
On Apr 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, SM wrote:
Mary Barnes is the
On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:23 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
At the risk of repeating something about which various ADs and
others have gotten an earful, unless there are very special and
unusual circumstances [Note 1], it is unwise to, e.g., have us
chair a WG or assume many other leadership
On Apr 27, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote:
I don't even know if the lack of female attendance at the IETF is a problem,
because I don't know how our percentages map to the percentage of female
networking engineers in the industry, or to the percentage of females who
attend other
On 4/27/12 13:32 , Alissa Cooper wrote:
On Apr 27, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Margaret Wasserman wrote:
I don't even know if the lack of female attendance at the IETF is a
problem, because I don't know how our percentages map to the
percentage of female networking engineers in the industry,
Not a lot
A recent perspctive on that:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/video/blog/2012/04/college_president_discu
sses_wo.html
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Margaret Wasserman
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:25 AM
To: SM
Cc: IETF
On 4/27/12 11:24 AM, Margaret Wasserman wrote:
I don't even know if the lack of female attendance at the IETF is a
problem, because I don't know how our percentages map to the
percentage of female networking engineers in the industry, or to the
percentage of females who attend other major
At 13:32 27-04-2012, Alissa Cooper wrote:
I don't think the meeting survey hasn't asked about gender in the
past. Maybe it should.
Yes.
At 12:24 27-04-2012, Margaret Wasserman wrote:
I don't think that the relatively low numbers of women in the IETF
leadership are necessarily indicative of a
* Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
A question arose on the RFC-interest list, I observed that 20 years
ago I was one of the youngest IETF participants and 20 years later
that still seems to be the case.
I had my first Internet-Draft published in my teens, as one data point.
I see some grad students
--On Friday, April 27, 2012 13:24 -0700 Paul Hoffman
paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote:
On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:23 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
At the risk of repeating something about which various ADs and
others have gotten an earful, unless there are very special
and unusual circumstances [Note
We plan to run a virtual interim meeting for CORE WG on Wednesday, May 16, at
14:30Z. This will be a webex phone call that is scheduled for three hours. The
agenda and conference bridge details will be announced on the CORE WG email
list.
The next EAI WG virtual interim meeting will be via jabber chat
(e...@jabber.ietf.org) on Monday, May 14 at 12:00 UTC for 2
hours.
Local times for 12:00 UTC:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=IETF+EAI+WG+Jabber+Chatiso=20120514T12ah=2
Draft: agenda, subject to discussion
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