Re: Is the IETF aging?

2012-05-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2012-05-05 04:48, Yoav Nir wrote: ... an obvious idea would be to change the requirements for a new work item from rough consensus to a bunch of people willing to do the work and at least one willing to implement. Some working groups already work like this, but it's not universal.

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-05-06 Thread IETF Chair
We have heard from many community participants, and consensus is quite rough on this topic. The IESG discussed this thread and reached two conclusions: (1) Rough consensus: an open and transparent standards process is more important to the IETF than privacy of blue sheet information. (2)

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-05-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/06/2012 09:46, IETF Chair wrote: - Discard paper blue sheets after scanning. Everything else seems fine, but I'm concerned about this one. Have you run this idea past some sort of legal counsel who is knowledgeable about intellectual property litigation? If so, no worries. Doug --

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-05-06 Thread Russ Housley
Doug: - Discard paper blue sheets after scanning. Everything else seems fine, but I'm concerned about this one. Have you run this idea past some sort of legal counsel who is knowledgeable about intellectual property litigation? If so, no worries. The IETF Counsel has been consulted, and

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-05-06 Thread David Morris
From my following of the topic, that concensus was really rough, in particular the part about publishing the scans on-line. That represents a significant difference in ease access which I think required more than the very very rough concensus you seem to think you found. On Sun, 6 May 2012,

Re: IETF posting delays

2012-05-06 Thread Hector Santos
Please pardon this submission processing test using a different account. -- Hector Santos, CTO http://www.santronics.com http://hector.wildcatblog.com Hector wrote: Randy Bush wrote: When I first begin to take notice a while back and last year I decided to ask the list admin. He replied

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-05-06 Thread IETF Chair
David: The list of participants and their addresses are already part of the proceedings. The incremental difference shows which participants signed in at each session. Russ On May 6, 2012, at 7:03 PM, David Morris wrote: From my following of the topic, that concensus was really rough,

Re: IETF posting delays

2012-05-06 Thread Randy Bush
indeed, the following line in your header was the clue. X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 May 2012 12:10:17 -0700 this means you posted from an address not subscribed and it required manual intervention. randy

Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

2012-05-06 Thread David Morris
I consider that there is a significant difference between the information provided in the registered attendee list and the individual blue sheets: a) to the extent that the information on the blue sheet is valid, it provides an hour by hour log of location, the overall list of attendees at