On 06/08/2012 23:02, Martin Rex wrote:
> Steven Bellovin wrote:
>> Randy Bush wrote:
>>> whatever the number of address bits, if it is fixed, we always run out.
>>> memory addressing has been a cliff many times. ip addressing. ...
>> Yup. To quote Fred Brooks on memory address space: "Every succ
Joe Touch wrote:
>> RFC2765 specifies that translators can merely copy the
>> low-order bits of the field.
>
> Yes, but this is not compatible with RFC791.
Then, which should we revice? RFC791, RFC2765 or both?
Without such a decision, there is no point to publish something
based on RFC791 and
Brian E Carpenter wrote:
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> On 06/08/2012 23:02, Martin Rex wrote:
> > Steven Bellovin wrote:
> >> Randy Bush wrote:
> >>> whatever the number of address bits, if it is fixed, we always run out.
> >>> memory addressing has been a cliff many times. ip add
Martin,
As far as the mass market goes, multiple prefixes and renumbering are a fact of
life.
See the MIF and HOMENET WGs for more.
As far as enterprise networks go, renumbering is rather undesirable but
sometimes
inevitable, see 6RENUM.
Regards
Brian
On 07/08/2012 08:46, Martin Rex wrote:
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:19 PM
On Thu 02/Aug/2012 03:28:38 -0700 Martin J. Dürst wrote:
>
>> In particular, the errata system is NOT meant to be used as an issue
>> tracker;
>
> Of course we have mailing lists, issue trackers, and w
On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:29 AM, t.p. wrote:
> When I Google RFC, I am sometimes directed to www.ietf.org, which is
> not much help here. Other times, I am directed to tools.ietf.org, whose
> format I find less friendly but which does have 'errata exist' in the
> top right hand corner. However, I
On Fri 03/Aug/2012 08:38:44 -0700 Barry Leiba wrote:
>
>> "Easy" would mean that people usually find them even if they're
>> not purposely looking for them. For example, the existence of an
>> approved errata could be signaled by coloring the margin near the
>> relevant text.
>
> I like this ide
Brian,
Yes, that is true, renumbering is a fact and we may be doing it
eventually but hopefully not frequently.
Needing to renumbering every time that a large enterprise changes
internet provider (frequently, every 2 or 3 years perhaps) it is simply not
practical today and poss
+1 to both of Carsten's suggestions.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes wrote:
>
>> If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
>> choice IMHO.
>
> +1 a lot.
> (If we indeed have to choose the US.)
> Gre
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From: "Yoav Nir"
To: "t.p."
Cc: "Alessandro Vesely" ;
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:58 AM
On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:29 AM, t.p. wrote:
> When I Google RFC, I am sometimes directed to www.ietf.org, which
is
> not much help here. Other times, I am directed to tools
> From: m...@sap.com (Martin Rex)
> To me, IPv6 PA prefixes look like a pretty useless feature (from the
> customer perspective).
Far be it from me to defend IPv6, but... I don't see the case here.
Our house is pretty typical of the _average_ consumer - we have a provider
suppplied
> From: John Levine [jo...@taugh.com]
>
> >It would have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to
> >Beijing, for example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW
>
> That's very odd. I see lots of fares from DFW to YVR from Saturday to
> Saturday via Houston or Denver for in upcoming
> From: Martin Rex [m...@sap.com]
>
> IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering. Avoiding the
> renumbering implies provider independent network prefix.
>
> With IPv4, you would have typically keept your IPv4 network address
> (the old class A, B & C from early 199x) even when changing
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> From: m...@sap.com (Martin Rex)
>
>> To me, IPv6 PA prefixes look like a pretty useless feature (from the
>> customer perspective).
>
> Far be it from me to defend IPv6, but... I don't see the case here.
>
> Our house is pretty typical of the
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
> I expect that a chunk of the variance hinges on the qualifier
While the vagaries of air transport costs fascinate me, I'm not sure
how the question of the cost of one route at one time for one person
is bro
> From: Yoav Nir
> For organizations renumbering is more painful, but as long as there's
> plenty of time to prepare - it should be manageable. If it's too
> painful, there are provider independent addresses, but how many really
> need them?
Or we could separate location and
On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> From: Yoav Nir
>
>> For organizations renumbering is more painful, but as long as there's
>> plenty of time to prepare - it should be manageable. If it's too
>> painful, there are provider independent addresses, but how many really
>> need them
Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
In the long history we experienced additional good places
So maybe the survey should be more open and let each list his 3-5 favorable
places based on the experience from earlier meetings?
Best regards,
Nurit
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> From: Yoav Nir
> I live in the same house. My computer is connected to the same socket
> in the wall.
That's your physical location. Irrelevant (basically) ato the network.
> All I changed was the ISP. Why do we call the = thing that's changed
> "location"?
'Location' in
On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> All I changed was the ISP. Why do we call the = thing that's changed
>> "location"?
>
> 'Location' in the network-centric sense (i.e. 'where in the overall network's
> connectivity map you are').
Right.
The location is pretty much irrelevant t
Ok, I know I said that I'd shut up, but this is a clarifying question,
so I'll answer.
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:28:33PM +0200, Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod
HaSharon) wrote:
> Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
That's what the oblique reference to Arrow-and-other-issue
I'd strongly prefer the IETF to focus on going to places where we get
work done and where costs can be controlled.
I'd prefer to avoid tourist destinations to some extent even if they are
not more expensive, but definitely if they are.
I want to present a professional image to my clients and I want
Hi,
On 8/7/2012 12:26 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
> Joe Touch wrote:
>
>>> RFC2765 specifies that translators can merely copy the
>>> low-order bits of the field.
>>
>> Yes, but this is not compatible with RFC791.
>
> Then, which should we revice? RFC791, RFC2765 or both?
2765.
There is no useful
Why not in bermuda triangle- innovation coupled with adventure!!!
Warm Regards,
Anshuman
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From: "Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)"
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 17:28:33
To: ext An
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
- Jason
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
Yes, please do. Frankly, I'd prefer there be competition; it creates
healthy debate within nomcom and might even improve community awareness
On 08/07/2012 00:46, Martin Rex wrote:
> IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering.
> Avoiding the renumbering implies provider independent
> network prefix.
ULA on the inside + https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6296
--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht.
Of course, you have to experiment to find good repeat venues...
Tim
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown. Same
for Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
> meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
>
> My lea
Dear all,
the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room)
of the Administration and Operations Plenary session at IETF-84 is
available.
You can watch it by accessing the following URL:
http://ietf84.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recorded_Sessions#IETF84_ADMIN_PLENARY
For
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown.
> Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city. Dublin is a
great city. An out of town golf resort is not a great venue.
Tim
> On Aug 7
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
>
> > I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
> > downtown. Same for Vienna.
>
> Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city.
> Dublin is a great city. An out of to
+1 Prague was excellent .. I actually liked Quebec City but connections
were awful.
So where in Asia? You have to have the 3.
Is this discussion is really about are we the Internet Entertainment and
Travel Facility?? Some of us have employers some of us do not. Is this
about "diversity"
On 08/08/2012 12:30 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
>
>> On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker wrote:
>>
>>> I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
>>> downtown. Same for Vienna.
>>
>> Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue,
>So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
>turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
MAAWG met there in 2007 and it worked well for us, although that was
a somewhat smaller meeting.
R's,
On 8/7/2012 5:29 PM, John Levine wrote:
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single
On 8/7/2012 4:34 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
+1 Prague was excellent .. I actually liked Quebec City but connections
were awful.
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that r
On 8/7/12 6:24 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that region not care about the additional hop of
travel to get to it?
It was over 24 hours of travel
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly from the US (or
Asia for that matter). Most
On 8/7/2012 7:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said about Prague:
"...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?"
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly f
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > Most require transiting some kind of major hub (London, Paris,
> > Frankfurt, Amsterdam to name a few).
>
> So, those hubs are reachable directly from the US and Asia, aren't they?
Yes, they are, and we have met in Paris twice and London once, will
m
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:24 AM, SM wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> Again, choosing three or so locations ignores large parts of not only the
>> developing world (e.g., Africa, India), but also substantial portions of the
>> developed world with a reasonable track record of participation (e.g.,
>> Australia, N
>> The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
>
>
>Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single number does it.[1]
>
>not.
Of course. MAAWG has been there so we know it's not a dump, it's
downtown, they can deal with nerds with lots of computers who demand
>If we restrict European cities to the ones with direct flight
>connections from other continents, we're really limiting the choices.
For some of us, if we limit our choices to places with direct flights,
that means Newark, Philadelphia, or Detroit. Count your blessings.
We can argue about whe
In message <5021742a.70...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes:
> On 08/07/2012 00:46, Martin Rex wrote:
> > IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering.
> > Avoiding the renumbering implies provider independent
> > network prefix.
>
> ULA on the inside + https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc629
Hi Vinayak,
At 20:49 07-08-2012, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
@SM : Where do you get this data. It will be interesting to chart the
data for IETF participants over the years by country / affliation. If
The list of participants for the last meeting is at
https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf84/attenda
Mark Andrews wrote:
>
> In message <5021742a.70...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes:
> > On 08/07/2012 00:46, Martin Rex wrote:
> > > IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering.
> > > Avoiding the renumbering implies provider independent
> > > network prefix.
> >
> > ULA on the inside
On 08/07/2012 09:51 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
> In message <5021742a.70...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes:
>> On 08/07/2012 00:46, Martin Rex wrote:
>>> IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering.
>>> Avoiding the renumbering implies provider independent
>>> network prefix.
>>
>> ULA on
On 08/07/2012 10:19 PM, Martin Rex wrote:
> Mark Andrews wrote:
>>
>> In message <5021742a.70...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes:
>>> On 08/07/2012 00:46, Martin Rex wrote:
IPv6 PA prefixes result in that awkward renumbering.
Avoiding the renumbering implies provider independent
n
Noel Chiappa wrote:
>
> > you want some level of privacy protection and therefore a fully dynamic
> > temporary DHCP-assigned IPv6 address
>
> This turns out to be a chimera. Such addresses don't really provide any real
> privacy - it turns out to be easy to track people through their acce
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