Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Martin, On 21/03/2013 00:51, Martin Rex wrote: ... > My impression of todays IESG role, in particular taking their > balloting rules and their actual balloting results into account, > is more of a "confirming body" of work that happened elsewhere > (primarily in the IETF, typically in IETF WGs, bu

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Keith Moore
On 03/20/2013 07:20 PM, Martin Rex wrote: The more diverse the "culture", the higher the probability for miscommunication (misunderstanding and taking offense). True, but without the diversity, the solutions provided by IETF are less likely to serve the interests of the extremely diverse Interne

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Keith Moore
On 03/20/2013 08:51 PM, Martin Rex wrote: IMHO, the IESG is not (and maybe never was?) a committee where_each_ member reviews_all_ of the work, where_each_ forms his very own opionion, and where all of them caste a VOTE at the end, so that the diversity within that committee would be vitally be

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, March 21, 2013 08:53 + Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Individual ADs vary in their > habits according to workload, but my sense is that there is a > strong sense of collective responsibility and definitely not a > sense of rubber stamping. You could check the statistices I > sup

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: (WebFinger) to Proposed Standard

2013-03-21 Thread Alissa Cooper
I suggest adding the sentence without the word "implicitly." The result would be: "Further, WebFinger MUST NOT be used to provide any personal information to any party unless explicitly authorized by the person whose information is being shared. Publishing one's personal data within an access-c

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-21 Thread SM
Hi John, At 20:38 20-03-2013, John Curran wrote: Excellent question; it's my belief that obsoleting RFC2050 would do that, but perhaps it would be best to make that point more Yes. specific in this document? It may be easier to add text which provides a (simple) explanation about why RFC 2

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Martin Rex
Keith Moore wrote: > Martin Rex wrote: > > > > IMHO, the IESG is not (and maybe never was?) a committee where_each_ > > member reviews_all_ of the work, where_each_ forms his very own opionion, > > and where all of them caste a VOTE at the end, so that the diversity > > within that committee woul

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Melinda Shore
On 3/21/13 8:23 AM, Martin Rex wrote: > As I understand and see it, the IESG is running IETF processes, > is mentoring IETF processes (towards WG Chairs, BOFs, individuals > with complaints/appeals), and is trying to keep an eye on the > overall architecture, and put togethe the pieces from review

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Melinda Shore > If everybody serving that gatekeeper function comes from a similar > background (western white guy working for a large manufacturer) To toy with Godwin's law for a moment - this sounds rather like western white guy physics... Noel

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, March 21, 2013 17:23 +0100 Martin Rex wrote: > Keith Moore wrote: >... >> IESG is the review body of last resort. When WGs do a poor >> job of review, especially cross-area review, the burden >> falls on IESG to take up the slack. > As I understand and see it, the IESG is run

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread SM
draft-mrex-tls-secure-renegotiation-04 lists Martin Rex as one of the authors. According to the authors of RFC 6176 Martin Rex has reviewed that specification. According to the editor of RFC 4752 Martin Rex has contributed to the document. If being a RFC author is what matters I should stop

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Melinda Shore
On 3/21/13 9:19 AM, SM wrote: > I welcome feedback from anyone. All righty, then. I do think that when someone is offering an opinion on the role of the IESG in moving work through the IETF, it's helpful if they've actually brought new work to the IETF, socialized it, negotiated with ADs around

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:51 -0800 Melinda Shore wrote: > On 3/21/13 9:19 AM, SM wrote: >> I welcome feedback from anyone. > > All righty, then. I do think that when someone is offering an > opinion on the role of the IESG in moving work through the > IETF, it's helpful if they've act

[Gen-art] Review: draft-ietf-ipfix-flow-selection-tech-14.txt

2013-03-21 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at . Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-ipfix-flow-selection-tech

Re: Less Corporate Diversity

2013-03-21 Thread Eric Burger
Quite the contrary. I am interpreting a few of the 'diversity' posts as saying the IETF has fewer companies participating and much fewer smaller companies participating. And I am interpreting those posts as implying some nefarious plot on the part of large, Western, White-European-Male-Dominated

RE: [apps-discuss] Last Call: (WebFinger) to Proposed Standard

2013-03-21 Thread Paul E. Jones
Got it. Thanks! I'll make that change. Paul > -Original Message- > From: Alissa Cooper [mailto:acoo...@cdt.org] > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:45 AM > To: Paul E. Jones > Cc: ietf@ietf.org; apps-disc...@ietf.org; webfin...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: 10.txt> (

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