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committees if we require each member of a committee to be
affiliated with a different company?
In other words, are we really incapable of requiring extensive corporate
diversity?
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principles.
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opportunity to participate and influence.
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will continue to risk
a Nomcom composed of people having literally no such knowledge.
The risk is actually a certainty, over time, given how statistical
sampling works, over time.
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for
the capabilities, but partly because it was always a cool group to
interact with.
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. Still, it
looks like a useful filter.
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it.
My reading of the appeal was that it succeeded, in that the agreement
with Sun was signed shortly after that and the IETF took over the NFS
specification.
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significant face-time.
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that is not certain to be
represented amongst IETF protocol engineers who choose to comment, it
seems wise to ask for help from a professional.
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On 6/27/2013 4:24 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Evi used to be an IETF regular. There is rather ominous news - she is
lost at sea between New Zealand and Australia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evi_Nemeth
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implication that there is /any/ meaningful distinction made by
native English speakers when reading an RFC...
For the times I've seen the different words used normatively in RFC, I
have not discerned any semantic difference.
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for IETF specifications.
Hell, we still debate the differences of just /those/ 3 words...
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suggestion, with which I agree.
For normative vocabulary, synonyms are sinful.
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has been started and pursued in isolation of any other
efforts and it has been the subject of direct IETF discussion. So I
was/am asking about it's follow-up effort.
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he sees no structural problem.
PSA's been an AD, yes, but:
Forgive me, but you just responded to a rather unpleasant ad hominem.
We should not sustain such threads.
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On 6/19/2013 8:08 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
On 6/19/13 8:32 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 6/19/2013 5:35 AM, Dave Cridland wrote:
Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
There is a real problem with accountability and transparency in the IETF
constitution which was designed by a bunch of old boys
.
individual self-assessment tends to be a very unreliable mechanism upon
which to base efforts at social change.
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in the region, it would
be helpful to see some response to the concerns raised about this as a
recruiting tool.
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mailing list
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
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of what is being
commented on and fully explaining what our comment means.
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IETF.
Again, there's no perfect protection against that, but seeing public
activity during IETF LC that demonstrates enough community interest to
do the minimal work of offering a capsule commentary on the draft will help.
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having a shepherd-style write up included in the last call
announcement? (Or available via a URL there).
Perhaps something like that, yeah.
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. we need to put that on a t-shirt. it's just perfect. and
universal.
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the document, this shows that they do.
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the fact of it.
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is flawed in the function it is performing: attaching a
validated domain name to a message.
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On 6/4/2013 1:08 PM, Douglas Otis wrote:
Dear Dave,
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
I happen to be sitting in a M3AAWG meeting as I write this note
and it happens that I just came out of a session in which someone
tried to assert the use of DKIM (or SPF
of the draft
that became RFC 6376. Your opinion wasn't agreed with: you were in
the rough. You're now bringing it up a fourth time (at least), and
you still appear to be in the rough. The decision was to allow the
verifier to decide how to handle this.
You and Dave Crocker made assurances this issue
.
mumble. yeah.
but i hope we don't spend too much energy on this topic, given how rare
it is.
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On 5/31/2013 8:12 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
We'll have multiple airships, one for each set of related meeting rooms.
is dirigible a new term of endearment for an AD?
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collective wisdom.
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, imparting
sage advice for how something can be reasonably done, within the formal
bounds of IETF rules and culture.
It's only 'force' is whatever credibility the individual reader choose
to assign to the text, as is true for any Informational RFC...
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or BCP and that it says quite
explicitly that it isn't normative?
Just the mere fact that it's a separate document will somehow impart
and implication of official normativeness?
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are being reasonable, rather than make policy decisions on
the hypothetical of a stray distortion.
There's a lot of nuance here,
There is no nuance at all in this document.
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was whether to try to folk this draft into
Working Group Guidelines and Procedures. I think that idea actually has
some reasonable logic to it; but it doesn't have enough benefit to be
worth the effort of opening up WGGP a third time, for now.
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mean that such meetings aren't useful,
but that I believe they are secondary to the work that is done over the
rest of the time.
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. The easy part is specifying audio/video
streams support. More challenging is to get the personal and personnel
support figured out.
And should it have some means of assisting discussions outside of the
bof/wg/plenary sessions?
What else?
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Force
http://www.ietf.org/tao.html
If the content needs to be improved, let's do it!
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1100 350
Amsterdam1600 150800 1100
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to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting
to change Argentine pesos into another currency to submit an online
request for permission to AFIP, the Argentine equivalent of HM Revenue
Customs. ...
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Mueller's Ruling the Root, from 10 years ago. He was
quite critical and dismissive of the technical community, including the
IETF:
http://bbiw.net/musings.html#rootreviewl
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.
It also, of course, nicely distributes the work.
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need to hear about that kernel, IMO. Not
the rest.
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standards
bodies...
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on a PSAT preparatory
example that I saw yesterday. There's a pretty straightforward
alternative that works nearly all the time:
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other comments in a review could be helpful.
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in evaluated the adequacy of the changes. Othrwise, the authors have to
play a guessing game, trying to figure out what will please the AD well
enough to clear the Discuss.
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imposing the cost has an obligation to
facilitate closing it, including making clear the criteria for closing
it. It is unreasonable to have those who must do the work to clear it
play a guessing game.
On 5/14/2013 4:03 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: On May 14, 2013, at 6:30 PM,
Dave Crocker d
Email: dave_r...@trendmicro.com
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to be done and of getting
folks to do the work of contributing, writing, reviewing, and debating
in a timely manner, and achieving forward progress in a timely manner.
Few working groups have enough detail to juggle to make this something
that hinges on the tools.
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be remedied by more RFC Editor
effort...
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choices are changed.
I suspect that an earlier exercise at summarizing functional goals and
design approaches and issues will have a number of benefits, beyond
enabling earlier external review.
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On 5/1/2013 1:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:59, Dave Crocker wrote:
The blog nicely classes the problem as being too heavy-weight during
final stages. The quick discussion thread seems focused on adding a
moment at which the draft specification is considered 'baked'.
I
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the SPF RR is being
pushed so hard at this point in time. Is there some forcing function
here?
Surely this has been amply covered, multiple times. Rehashing it won't
be productive.
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On 4/30/2013 12:54 PM, David Conrad wrote:
On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
What is the IETF-approved timeframe in which the market is allowed to
accept/reject a particular technology?
I've no idea what the lower limit is or should be, but I'm quite sure
On 4/30/2013 2:37 PM, David Conrad wrote:
On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
I've no idea what the lower limit is or should be, but I'm quite sure that 7
years exceeds it by a very comfortable margin.
By that logic we should abandon IPv6, DNSSEC, EDNS0, etc
On 4/29/2013 2:15 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote:
On 29/04/2013 06:57, Dave Crocker wrote:
Exactly. Complicated processes, needing high quality data that gets
complicated analysis, that we aren't well-enough trained to do well
and aren't going to be doing.
Dave
Of all the social mixes you would
in
terms of diversity concerns.
Let's not confuse activity with progress.
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On 4/29/2013 12:04 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
At 01:34 AM 4/29/2013, Dave Crocker wrote:
Actually, I don't think this is even a mostly correct statement -
that AD select chairs.
It is a long-standing, simple, objective, unvarying management fact of
IETF procedure: ADs hire and fire wg chairs
On 4/29/2013 2:20 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
At 04:40 PM 4/29/2013, Dave Crocker wrote:
Actually, I don't think this is even a mostly correct statement -
that AD select chairs.
It is a long-standing, simple, objective, unvarying management fact of IETF
procedure: ADs hire and fire wg chairs
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candidate
population for the IAB and IESG.
Except that the IESG members select the wg chairs, which makes your
baseline stastistic suspect; it's too easy for all sorts of biasing
factors to sway the allocation of wg chair positions.
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as interaction (in)sensitivities, group tone and style, and
observable misbehaviors, all of which are likely to produce biasing results.
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Given this thread on the ietf list, I guess I should forward the
following, which was done as a solicited Apps Area review for this draft:
Original Message
Subject: Review of: draft-sheffer-running-code
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:38:24 -0700
From: Dave Crocker dcroc
about expected user interactions are simply wrong. Worse, I've no
idea what to suggest to counter this for the draft.
Yeah, I'm not sure the draft can fix this problem. But agree that
it's a problem.
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have deeper
problems, of course, because that sort of shit needs to be found mch,
much sooner.
At base, the IESG review seeks to compensate for seriously inadequate
quality control during the development process...
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of such questions.
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in /what/
we do, or /how/ we do it, that might constitute improved incentives.
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Talk about timing!
This was in the very next message I looked at:
How Internet Fighting Works
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comicsid=2939#comic
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had the computer say/think/whatever: No.
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users shouldn't be allowed to do that.
I'm confused Russ. Isn't that exactly what Alexey recommends, here?
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Your note now refers to /how/ and appears to mean that you believe they
should not be allowed to exercise that capability via IMAP.
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time
now, the lack of specifications, including how to integrate it with
existing mail, should start to trouble us all.
[2] To Be On the Internet, RFC 1775
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, but the lack of certitude
about it.
Further, the rationale you offer essentially is one of efficiency, but
open processes rarely stand the scrutiny of 'efficiency' concerns.
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and this
second about open solicitation of candidates. Both have been concrete
and targeted criticisms, with plenty of thoughtful postings in their
respective threads.
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is it and how will it be accomplished?
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support for it.
My own view is that we don't have a problem and that we have have far
more significant issues to spend group energy on, especially given how
difficult it is to get consensus on IETF structure and process changes...
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of Participant X and Participant Y.
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,
compared with the past, if we have the data.
Of course, these sorts of comparisons takes more thought and more work...
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. The exchange between Margaret and Stuart seemed to mix
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optimization versus
'global'. There are benefits in having a group mixture that can be far
more important than the attributes of the group members taken individually.
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On 3/20/2013 10:53 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:09:41AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
Also note that your list is missing something that was raised
earlier in the thread, namely the difference between local
optimization versus 'global'. There are benefits in having a group
out and
get other people's input than the ways we have right now. {participation/wg}
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requiring everyone to wait for the polished version.
It would also allow some crows-sourcing of corrections and additions to
the raw minutes...
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. The scope of confirming
body concern has remained a fluid issue.
But it also hasn't been one that's occupied folks much this week, that
I've seen.
So I disagree with Melinda that we need to discuss it now... Better to
focus on one issue at a time.
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reading of this thread looked like a pretty clear community
preference for the latter.
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that an IAB draft would refer to the DNS as a
database...
{review terminated }
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On 3/15/2013 9:39 AM, Jari Arkko wrote:
If you see Ralph in the hallway, please stop and thank him for his service and
contributions with DHCP and many, many other things.
+24
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G'day,
On 3/13/2013 2:27 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
So I suggest:
2. The nominating committee selects candidates based on its
determination of the requirements for the job, synthesized
from the desires expressed by the IAB, IESG or IAOC (as
appropriate
of
IETF involvement, rather than thinking of it as first-contact.
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and with complementary skills. So, for
example, here's a case of needing work to aid privacy that was
identified but needed to be handed off to another group.
Lining up such contacts ahead of time could be a useful bit of work for
a privacy directorate?
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of requirements that
the nominating committee used when making its selections;
these requirements shall be made public after nominees are
confirmed.
Comments?
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to that premise.
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of that, I believe it within bounds for me to disclose that
during Mary's chairpersonship, she never pushed anyone, nor did she
cry (that I saw, though I'd claim we gave her plenty of cause.)
On the other hand, she was frighteningly better organized than most males...
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that are
imposed on everyone and that can be trivially routed around, albeit
without the benefits of using the I-D mechanism.
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