Re: Fwd: Re: IP: Microsoft breaks Mime specification

From: "Kyle Lussier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:49:49 -0800 >... > >It's up to an IETF working group to challenge that trust and >threaten to yank the logo, which is the "one true mark" of that >trust. You do not understand how the IETF work

Re: Blue Sheet Etiquette

From: Robert Moskowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20011214093922.026ee218@localhost> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:11:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >At 04:29 PM 12/13/2001 -0500, borderlt wrote: > >There is a practical side to this. Note that John saw that the sheet

Re: trying to reconcile two threads

As a very rough rule of thumb: In a competitive situation, prices tend towards costs plus some profit margin. In monopoly situations, a profit seeking monopolist tries to maximize their profits by pricing at the "benefit" to the customer minus just enough to give the customer some incentive to bu

Re: Public warning: Please cease inappropriate posting

I believe this action by Harald Alvestrand is entirely correct. While one can never tell what someone else's actual motivations are, Mr. Flamings actions are exactly the actions of someone whose purpose is to reduce the effectiveness of the IETF. Many of his postings are inflamatory with no corr

Re: Can employers forbid you from talking about IETF activities?

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Re: filtering of mailing lists and NATs

Keith, Why do you keep pretending that sending mail to the main submission address is the only way to get a message out on a mailing list and that there isn't immense harm done by spam? What about months of work wasted because a WG didn't get the input of those driven away by spam? If you have t

Re: IPv9 ??

To find out about the official assignments of any IETF protocol parameters, including IP version numbers, go to the IANA web site at . IP versions are listed on page . IPv9 has been assigned to TUBA which is desic

Re: allowable questions (was Re www...)

In my opinion, the situtation with regard to Non-diclsoure Agreements is quite simple. No one participating in the IETF, from of the IETF/IAB Chairs to the most common participant is under any IETF requirements to disclose or answer any questions about what NDAs they are bound by. However, shou

Re: Meeting logistics cost, convenience and risk

t;Brandenburg InternetWorking <http://www.brandenburg.com> >tel: +1.408.246.8253; fax: +1.408.273.6464 Donald PS: I've managed facilities for three meetings with attendance of over 5,000 people and a number of smaller meetings so I do know something of what I'm talking about. === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd[EMAIL PROTECTED] 155 Beaver Streeet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milford, MA 01757 USA +1 508-634-2066(h) +1 508-261-5434(w)

Re: Deja Vu

I don't think internationalization of the Internet == internationalization of IETF meetings. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Donald From: Keith Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-URI: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ To: "Donald E. Eastlake

Re: Deja Vu

From: Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:26:15 -0

Re: Deja Vu

IETF meetings are held because they are beneficial to accomplishing the work of the IETF, not to promoate some sort of internationalism. Thus far they have been geographically distributed roughly as the recent IETF meeting attendees locations has been geographically distributed. (Availability of

Re: rfc publication suggestions

I'm even more primitive. I don't use any nroff macros that I don't define myself in the source file. But once you have a template, it's trivial. Anyone who asks me, I send a copy of the source from some previous miscellaneous internet-draft I've done and then they, if they want, just like me,

Re: An historic URL

odified by RFC 2732). >Thanks for your great info. >Regards, > >Jiwoong Thanks, Donald === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd[EMAIL PROTECTED] 155 Beaver Streeet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milford, MA 01757 USA +1 508-634-2066(h) +1 508-261-5434(w)

Re: Mail sent to midcom (fwd)

I believe most IETF WG mailing lists restrict automatic posting to those subscribed and a list of other from addresses. As a practical matter, in this age of spam, that is considered "open" and, if not in place, is commonly demanded by a consensus of the WG. Every WG is a little different and I

Re: IETF mailing list archive problems

I suggest trying ftp to or . In general, when looking for stuff at organizations that predate the web, trying ftp is a good idea. Donald From: "Martin J. Duerst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[

multipart/signed (was Re: Eliminating Virus Spam )

t two messages came from the same nym) should be encouraged, not blocked. Donald === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd[EMAIL PROTECTED] 155 Beaver Streeet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milford, MA 01757 USA +1 50

Re: Eliminating Virus Spam

and keys/certificates and proprietary subtypes under other top level MIME types should be blocked. >... > - Ted Donald === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd[EMAIL PROTECTED] 155 Beaver Streeet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milford, MA 01757 USA +1 508-634-2066(h) +1 508-261-5434(w)

Re: Eliminating Virus Spam

I think it would be a mistake for the IETF to try to get into the business of protecting mailing list subscribers from virses. But the list membership should be protected from anti-virus software spamming by some combination of filters and unsubscribing those whose sites run such unscalable soft

Re: NATs *ARE* evil!

nald E. Eastlake 3rd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:54:47 EST." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:54:47 EST, "Donald E. Ea

Re: NATs *ARE* evil!

If DNSSEC were deployed, I see no reason why SAs could not be bound to domain names. Donald From: RJ Atkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:45:43 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Doran) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: I-D Actions ?

J. ID's which are official working group IDs are automatically announced to both the IETF Announce and WG mailing lists. IDs which are not official WG documents generally aren't. The version number is not important to where the announcement goes. It used to be possible to tell whether or not a

Re: Sequentially assigned IP addresses--why not?

If IPv4 multihoming is leading to exponential growth of the routing tables, maybe that's what will kill IPv4 and push people to IPv6. My understanding is that in IPv6 things are better because, to some extent, you can multihome by having multiple addresses assigned by your different providers.

Re: List

Almost all mailing lists suffer, to a greater or lesser extent, from bashing and from meta-bashing like your message and my reply. In the IETF, most of the technical discussion occurs on the much more focused working group lists. As the most general list, the IETF discussion list is the worst i

Re: I-D no action period

I'm certainly opposed to such a rule. There is already too much rigidity in the IETF rules. It is frequently useful to post an updated version, initiate a Last Call, etc., very shortly after an I-D is published. In some cases, an I-D is posted to include and summarize the final changes decided

Re: Any RFCs describing mailing list subscription practice?

As far as I know, there is no such IETF document. The only even vaguely related RFCs I know of are 2369 and 1211. Standardizing list processor commands has proven to be very controversial. But a BCP supporting use of a mail loop to confirm subscription would be a good thing and should be doabl

Re: Fwd: FC: Pittsburgh politicos don't like criticism at anonymous web site

URL is typoed below. It's really www.tribune-review.com ^ Donald From: Richard Shockey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:51:39 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >News from our host city... > >>>Date: Wed,

Re: Port Help ?

IETF Internet Protocol Parameter assignments are all documented on line at the www.iana.org site, in particular port numbers are at . Donald From: "Parkinson, Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ietf@Ie

IP over MIME (was Re: WAP Is A Trap -- Reject WAP)

See . Donald From: Magnus Danielson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMA

Re: fyi.. House Committee Passes Bill Limiting Spam E-Mail

While this may be important enough to have some discusion on the general IETF list, I would point out that there does exist an IETF working group in this area: RUN, Responsible Use of the Net . This working group produced RFC 2635 which was ado

Re: IETF, ITU-T membership

However, your company can become an orgnaizational member of the Internet Society which, to some extent, acts as an umbrella organiztion for the IETF and pays for some IETF related activities. See . Donald From: Pete Resnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: remove me from list

Uhhh, can't you tell a message that's just a troll? :-) I, at least, am getting an ever increasing number of such messages and I feel pretty sure they are just a slighltly more subtle way to get you to respond so they can add you to their database of known good emails to spam. Donald From: [

Security insanity

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Re: VIRUS WARNING

The whole world does not run software which is a good culture medium for email viruses. I mostly use nice old UNIX software and it would take a number of extra steps on my part for some embdedded virus to get a chance to run. If your software automatically executes stuff in attachments, you nee

Re: IETF Adelaide and interim meetings for APPS WGs

It is traditional that most IETF meeting attendees have given the organization they are affiliated with for identification purposes, whether it is an educational institution, government, other non-profit group or company. Donald PS: I don't see "being international" as a binary thing. Or at le

Re: Internet SYN Flooding, spoofing attacks

I think that making egress filtering a BCP, applying community pressure, bringing law suites, etc., will be about as effective at eliminating forged source address packets on the Internet as similar measures have been in eliminating open SMTP relays... They help, but not much. Donald From: Pa

Re: Last Call: Registry Registrar Protocol (RRP) Version 1.1.0 to Informational

e legal liability. The way to avoid such liability is maintain as minimal a review as possible. > Donald =========== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 914-276-2668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 65 Shindegan Hill Rd, RR#1 Carmel, NY 10512 USA

Re: To address or NAT to address?

So we want some application level namespace and a system to translate it to addresses. What characterstics should such a system have? It needs to be highly available, so you need replication among multiple servers. You can't concentrate all the data in one place so it needs to be distributed, p