RE: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update standards track, and datatracker

2013-10-02 Thread John E Drake
Irrepressible Yours Irrespectively, John From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:19 AM To: Michael Richardson Cc: ietf; tools-disc...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] independant submissions that update

RE: RSOC Appointments

2013-06-25 Thread John E Drake
But they have different ages, IQs, and shoe sizes. Yours Irrespectively, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:54 PM To: Fred Baker (fred) Cc: ietf list; Nevil Brownlee; Bob Hinden;

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats-03.txt (Security Threats for NHDP) to Informational RFC

2013-06-08 Thread John E Drake
AB, This may surprise you, but not everyone cares what you think. John Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 1:51 AM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Routing Area AD, I had many comments/issues regarding your area always addressed to you and including this

RE: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-29 Thread John E Drake
What a concept. Irrespectively Yours, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:52 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration? On 4/29/13

RE: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-18 Thread John E Drake
Age, IQ, shoe size? (Ideally, they should be equal.) Irrespectively Yours, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eliot Lear Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:01 AM To: Dan Harkins Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IETF

RE: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-17 Thread John E Drake
AB, Is it true that you are really Professor Irwin Corey? Irrespectively Yours, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:51 PM To: ietf Subject: Re: IETF Diversity Question

RE: Appointment of Scott Mansfield as new IETF Liaison Manager to the ITU-T

2013-03-28 Thread John E Drake
Smoke filled rooms Irrespectively Yours, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Kessens Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:04 AM To: Stewart Bryant Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Appointment of Scott Mansfield as new

RE: congestion control? - (was Re: Appointment of a Transport AreaDirector)

2013-03-06 Thread John E Drake
See also: http://www.akamai.com/html/about/press/releases/2012/press_091312.html Irrespectively Yours, John From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Byrne Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:12 AM To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: bra...@isi.edu; IETF-Discussion

RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread John E Drake
Eric, This was exactly the point I made earlier in an email to Dave Crocker. Irrespectively Yours, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Gray Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:59 PM To: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net

RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD

2013-03-06 Thread John E Drake
Mary, As a potential nominee I considered the questionnaire to be a barrier to entry and as a NomCom member I considered the questionnaire answers to be useless. Irrespectively Yours, John -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of

RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
Comment inline Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:00 AM To: Eliot Lear Cc: John E Drake; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards

RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
Sent from my iPhone From: Eliot Lear [mailto:l...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 11:25 PM To: John E Drake Cc: i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm John, On 8/15/12 12:03 AM, John E Drake wrote: Hi, Does this document

RE: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
Comment inline Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:38 AM To: John E Drake Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Brian E Carpenter; Eliot Lear; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Affirmation

RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
Eliot, Your explanation of the document’s efficacy leaves me skeptical. We should always do something for a reason. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone From: Eliot Lear [mailto:l...@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:44 AM To: John E Drake Cc: i...@iab.org; IETF Discussion Subject

RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
for MPLS-TP. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone From: Abdussalam Baryun [mailto:abdussalambar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:29 AM To: John E Drake Cc: ietf Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm Hi John, Does this document actually have a purpose

RE: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
: Abdussalam Baryun [mailto:abdussalambar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 6:57 AM To: John E Drake Cc: ietf; i...@iab.org Subject: Re: FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm John, Could you suggest a solution to this issue or an additional statements to the document

RE: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-15 Thread John E Drake
...@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:33 AM To: John E Drake Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Brian E Carpenter; Eliot Lear; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm Hi John, On Aug 15, 2012, at 3:41 PM, John E Drake wrote: JD: To what

FW: Affirmation of the Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-14 Thread John E Drake
Hi, Does this document actually have a purpose, and if so, what is it? Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone From: ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IAB Chair Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 7:19 PM To: ietf-annou...@ietf.org Subject: Affirmation

RE: Is the IETF aging?

2012-04-27 Thread John E Drake
Maybe we would do better if we required attendees to dress as furries. Their conventions seem to attract a younger crowd. Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Hallam-Baker Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012

RE: Last Call:draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-03.txt (Allocation of an Associated Channel Code Point for Use by ITU-T Ethernet basedOAM) to Informational RFC

2012-03-03 Thread John E Drake
Hi, I agree with the proposal that Russ Housley made, below, but before even provisionally granting G.8113.1 a code point by placing draft-betts in the RFC editor's queue until G.8113.1 is approved, I would like to understand whether there is a reasonable chance for it to be approved at WTSA

RE: Questions about draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point

2012-01-12 Thread John E Drake
Snipped, comments inline. 3. There seems to be quite a feeling on the mailing lists that this document should be run through the MPLS working group. The write-up makes a case for progressing it as AD sponsored. As far as I can see, the main assertions to answer are as follows. Do you have a view

RE: Request to publish draft-betts-itu-oam-ach-code-point-01.txt

2011-12-02 Thread John E Drake
Huub, In your email, below, you state: This protocol has been defined in the ITU-T and should not be considered to be a MPLS protocol and therefore should not subject to the provisions of RFC 4929. The subject protocol is used to provide OAM for MPLS networks. You seem to be saying that

RE: LISP is not a Loc-ID Separation protocol

2011-10-29 Thread John E Drake
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robin Whittle Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:07 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: LISP is not a Loc-ID Separation protocol Hi Masataka, I mean no offence. I try to keep my messages

RE: Re: [mpls] unresolved technical concerns

2011-10-19 Thread John E Drake
: erminio.ottone...@libero.it [mailto:erminio.ottone...@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:50 PM To: John E Drake; Luyuan Fang (lufang); Alexander Vainshtein; D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Stewart Bryant (stbryant) Cc: m...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: R: Re: [mpls] unresolved technical

RE: [mpls] R: Re: 答复: 回复: R: FW: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-10-19 Thread John E Drake
Alessandro, Apparently, the advice given regarding the risks and costs associated with deploying proprietary or pre-standard solutions didn't resonate with you. Do you really expect the rest of us to clean up after you? Thanks, John -Original Message- From: mpls-boun...@ietf.org

RE: Last Call draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-10-12 Thread John E Drake
Snipped, comment inline You are making a point on which I picked earlier because it is stated in the document as well. In case there are multiple solutions, documenting, but at the same time discouraging the other one has happened before. Why is this not possible in this case? Make

RE: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-10-10 Thread John E Drake
Are we now going to be subject to daily updates? -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Huub van Helvoort Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:42 AM To: IETF Discussion Subject: Re: Last Call:

RE: [mpls] R: FW: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC

2011-10-06 Thread John E Drake
As do I -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Sinicrope Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:11 PM To: David Allan I Cc: m...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] R: FW: Last Call: draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-

RE: [mpls] unresolved technical concerns

2011-10-05 Thread John E Drake
That's because it is *so* much easier to just keep mumbling 'major unresolved technical concerns'. I expect it is something learned in Yoga class. -Original Message- From: mpls-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Luyuan Fang (lufang) Sent: Wednesday,

RE: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-25 Thread John E Drake
How about Fresno? Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:09 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy? On 25/08/2011 18:12, Mary

RE: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-22 Thread John E Drake
...@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:17 PM To: John E Drake Cc: Alexander Vainshtein; m...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; Vladimir Kleiner; Idan Kaspit; Mishael Wexler; pwe3; Oren Gal; John Shirron; Rotem Cohen Subject: Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3- gal

RE: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-18 Thread John E Drake
Sasha, I completely agree with your recommendations: - releasing the bottom-of-stack requirement on GAL - making use of the statement in RFC 5586 that if GAL is encountered in a packet then G-ACh header MUST be present immediately after the bottom of the label stack (and not immediately after

RE: RE: [mpls] R: RE: R: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt (Proactive Connectivity Verification, Continuity Check and Remote Defect indication for MPLS Transport Profile) to Propose

2011-07-14 Thread John E Drake
Italo, Comments inline. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: erminio.ottone...@libero.it [mailto:erminio.ottone...@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:04 PM To: John E Drake; david.i.al...@ericsson.com; rco...@ptinovacao.pt; i...@ietf.org; IETF

RE: [mpls] R: RE: R: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt (Proactive Connectivity Verification, Continuity Check and Remote Defect indication for MPLS Transport Profile) to Proposed St

2011-07-13 Thread John E Drake
Italo, The design team report (http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/slides/mpls-17/mpls-17_files/frame.htm), with Huub's name as an author, details a plan for MPLS-TP OAM which the MPLS WG has followed to this day. I think the report is compelling evidence that the claim that a packet

RE: RE: [mpls] R: RE: R: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt (Proactive Connectivity Verification, Continuity Check and Remote Defect indication for MPLS Transport Profile) to Propose

2011-07-13 Thread John E Drake
Italo, Comments inline. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: erminio.ottone...@libero.it [mailto:erminio.ottone...@libero.it] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:04 PM To: John E Drake; david.i.al...@ericsson.com; rco...@ptinovacao.pt; ietf@ietf.org; IETF

RE: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt (Proactive Connectivity Verification, Continuity Check and Remote Defect indication for MPLS Transport Profile) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-08 Thread John E Drake
Neil, I have a question for clarification. Have you actually read draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt? I know you don't like doing this but generally it is considered good form to read something before commenting on it. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From:

RE: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-cc-cv-rdi-05.txt (Proactive Connectivity Verification, Continuity Check and Remote Defect indication for MPLS Transport Profile) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-08 Thread John E Drake
but it is strictly an implementation issue - no protocol work is required. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: neil.2.harri...@bt.com [mailto:neil.2.harri...@bt.com] Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:37 AM To: John E Drake; rco...@ptinovacao.pt; david.i.al...@ericsson.com

RE: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?

2011-06-20 Thread John E Drake
But that was then and now is now 8-. One could simply say suck it up. Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:55 PM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Has anyone found

RE: My comments to the press about OAM for MPLS

2011-03-04 Thread John E Drake
Hi, I think we should be sad, though, that Huub's feelings were hurt when the team was disbanded. Here is the liaison to the ITU describing the disbanding of the design team: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/593/. Interestingly, I can't find a reply from the ITU. This implies they

RE: what is the problem ter

2010-10-29 Thread John E Drake
An I-D usually needs to get WG consensus before it becomes a WG draft. Getting consensus from the wider community at this point, as you suggest, seems very reasonable. In my experience, once a document is issued as an RFC, it is considered to be a standard. The steps beyond that are largely

RE: Nomcom 2010-2011: READ THIS: Important Information on Open Disclosure

2010-09-22 Thread John E Drake
Tom, Thanks, this is very helpful. As I read RFC 5680, it does not change in any way the handling of confidential information (e.g., feedback on candidates, or its deliberations) specified in RFC 3777. Is that correct? Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From:

RE: Tourist or business visa from US?

2010-08-26 Thread John E Drake
You, or a visa company on your behalf, will be asking the Chinese consulate for a visa and as part of the application there will be an explanation of your planned activities in China. The consulate will decide whether the type of visa requested is consistent with your planned activities and if

Re: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk (Multiprotocol Label Switching Transport Profile Survivability Framework) to Informational RFC

2010-05-05 Thread John E Drake
+1 Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Varma, Eve L (Eve) eve.va...@alcatel-lucent.commailto:eve.va...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: Dear editors, In reviewing draft-ietf-mpls-tp-survive-fwk, I noticed that in Section 4.7.4, Triggers for the Linear Protection Switching Action, the