>Between us (and especially if we agree), I believe we can speak *with
>regard to this question* for 95% of the open-source community. This
>does not make either of us power-mad dictators intent on domination,
>just most peoples' recognized experts on what constitutes an
>acceptable open-source li
>We should also remember that the people don't comes just from US. When I
>called they (not very kindly) suggested me if I can call back in 6 hours
>(!) because registration services doesn't work so early. Incredible,
>this is having fun and supporting international guests. Just quality,
>hopef
>As promised, The Korean consulate in DC has a resolution
>for the visa problem.
>
>The Korean Consular General for the United States has
>committed to preparing two letters for U.S. citizens to
>carry with them.
>[...]
Gene,
I would just like to say, thank you for all your hard work in getting
t
>I am an Indian national (which means I need a visa). I know for a fact
>that I need a produce an invitation letter to get a visa.
Please note that I did qualify my note by saying "US citizens". Of
course entry requirements differ between countries. My point was that
US citizens do not need an
>> This is insane. Can the Secretariat please give unambiguous advice
>> (preferably backed up by a letter from the Korean embassy) to attendees?
>
>It sounds like you might be safest contacting the Korean embassy
>yourself and asking for a visa. If they say you don't need one, you're
>on fi
>How about this for a twist: if you ask for an invitation (required for a
>visa), you are told you really, really don't need it. When I requested a
>visa from TTA, this is the response I got. Has anyone succeeded in getting
>a letter?
When I downloaded the visa application form (and checked the
>A U.S. citizen does NOT need a visa to visit Korea for a meeting
>by a non-profit group such as the Internet Engineering Task Force.
>I just confirmed this with the head of the visa section in the
>Korean Consulate in Washington DC.
Gene,
Could you please post the contact information for the hea
>>"# You may enter Korea without a visa for a stay up to 30 days
>>or less for tourism, visiting, or transit to another country when
>>carrying a valid US passport."
>>
>>Seems to me to pretty clear that a visa is not needed.
>
>I am not a lawyer, but I don't think attending a professional meeting
> - Individuals traveling to Korean to attend the IETF meeting
>do not need a visa, as they are traveling to attend a
>non-profit conference. They can stay in Korea up to 30
>day for such purpose and for tourism.
Ah, okay, this makes sense now, because there was a slight language
iss
>I'd be interested in answers people get from other consulate/embassy
>staff both from locations other than Boston and with different
>phrasings of the question.
Well, I finally was able to talk to someone at the Washington, DC, embassy.
Their answer? "We're not sure, but you might need one".
I
>>What I'm really looking for is some form of official
>>government communication on the subject (unless of course the hosts are
>>the ones who are manning the passport control desks at the airport).
>>
>So call the nearest Korean consulate/embassy. Answering this kind of
>question is part of the
>See also:
>
>http://www.mofat.go.kr/en/visa/e_visa.mof
>
>
>... for a more comprehensive list of countries under visa exemption etc.
>
>Some of us are blessed with non-US passports, Ken :-)
Heh, I guess the termology in my first note was imprecise; I should have
said "US passport holders" instead
>*bleah* http://travel.state.gov/skorea.html seems to agree with
>you. "However, visas are required for all business visits."
>
>I think Steve is right that we need to get a read from our hosts.
Maybe I'm just more paranoid than most (boy, I never thought I'd say
that among _this_ crowd :-) ),
>I attended a technical meeting in Seoul in the summer of 2003, and
>did not require a visa. We should get a reading on this from our
>hosts.
It's certainly possible that I'm wrong. I'm only going by the link provided
from the Seoul meeting web pages:
http://www.koreaembassy.org/visiting/eng_v
>From my reading of the Korean Embassy web page, it seems that US residents
will require a visa to attend the Seoul IETF. I'm wondering if anyone
has gotten a visa to enter South Korea before, and if so, can they provide
any tips on the visa process? (The only requirement that looks like it
will
>Can someone explain the following:
You tried to send email to "ieFT.org", instead of "ieTF.org" ?
--Ken
> Plus her work number, at which I can't reach her after the receptionist has
>gone home, and her mobile phone is non-functional due to building issues, but
>that's okay since her patient's pace-makers prefer it that way.
Let me see if I understand this correctly ... your wife is behind a NAT
(t
>I guess those of us who might be interested in hearing all opinions--and not
>just those that agree with your own--are out of luck, eh? I can decide for
>myself which messages I do or do not wish to read; I don't need your help.
Certainly you can peruse Jim's web site for his opinions, can't yo
>I just noticed that the registration and hotel info is up at ietf.org.
>
>Was this announced to the IETF or IETF-Announce list? I do not recall
>seeing.
I don't recall seeing an announcement. I occasionally check the web
page, and IIRC, the web page said, in order,
- Will be announced in April
>in that case, provide the citation. every time i ask, the response is
>silence...
Just to weight in Marshall ... the only detailed examination of the
whole thing _I_ ever saw said that there was an amazing lack of hard
evidence. Boeing engineers even when so far as to purchase a laptop
from som
>I expect we will see some lessening of the rules as the experience
>and turnover of the airframes proceeds. We already have the
>"mobile use okay until pushback" which is a real change.
That's not universal; it's up the individual carrier.
(While I agree there is no hard evidence that computer
>>That hasn't been my experience; I've seen what can only be described as
>>an "old-boy" network in operation. I'm not saying that such a thing is
>>necessarily bad, just that sometimes it takes significant effort to
>>overcome it if you're a newbie.
>
>Since the IETF professes to be open, it's a
>I think it's still the case that someone who demonstrates knowledge of
>the background material and understanding of how the Internet works is
>quite welcome at IETF.
That hasn't been my experience; I've seen what can only be described as
an "old-boy" network in operation. I'm not saying that s
I was one of the people who got bumped from the DoubleTree to the Hilton.
When I called today to verify my reservation at the Hilton, I discovered
that there were _two_ Kenneth Hornstein's that have a reservation at
the Hilton; one with my address, and another one with a different Amex
number who
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