Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hi, I think that despite if the people are working with company money or their own they should be able to estimate if they can have enough time to spend on the effort. Also they should have an easy way out when they notice that e.g. for a change in their lives they cannot commit that much time

Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Henning and Spencer, first of all I think Henning's idea is a nice one. I think that there should be some kind of a way to both get rid of chairs that are in the way of progress in a humane manner and they do not understand it themselves. However, I think (or at least hope) these kind of people

Re: Simplistic metrics Re: WG management

2005-06-21 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hi, I agree with Joel. Though, the metric is simple (and in that regard possibly good to track) I believe it measures the wrong thing. I think that if the WG does work and there is no need for drawing conclusions on the WG mailing list, or the WG chair has chosen not to contribute technically -

Re: Consensus? #770 Compensation for IAOC members

2005-01-07 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 18:16, ext Scott W Brim wrote: On 1/7/2005 10:56, Harald Tveit Alvestrand allegedly wrote: I think this line of thought has died down without any great disagreement the consensus seems to be that the following sentence: The IAOC members shall not receive any

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2005-01-04 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Harald, On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 10:28, ext Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: --On 3. januar 2005 07:40 -0800 EKR ekr@rtfm.com wrote: I don't think that anyone is saying that. However, AFAIK there's in fact no rule prohibiting IESG/IAB members from being directly paid by IETF--not that that's a

Re: AdminRest: BCP -03: Special audits

2005-01-03 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Brian, On Sun, 2005-01-02 at 12:24, ext Brian E Carpenter wrote: Jonne, Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) wrote: Hi, sorry to tune in late, but keeping up with all the mails that are going around I needed a vacation at the place of my in-laws... I think the issue of a yearly

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2005-01-03 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
: Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit that I maybe have too much a view point of someone working for a relatively large company. I try to approach this from a position where the IAOC itself does not become a significant cost for IASA. However

RE: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2005-01-03 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Bert, On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 16:46, ext Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: Scott reponds to Jonne: Jonne asks: would x.x Compensation for IOAC members The IOAC members shall not receive any compensation (apart from reimbursement of expenses) for their services as members

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2005-01-03 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 17:10, ext Brian E Carpenter wrote: Scott Bradner wrote: bert asks: The current text in section 3, 1st para states The IAOC consists of volunteers, does that not say enough? I'd say no - volunteers can get paid in some cases x.x Compensation

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2004-12-31 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
, 2004-12-31 at 02:39, ext Sam Hartman wrote: Soininen == Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soininen x.x IAOC members compensation for labor, travel, and Soininen other costs Soininen The IAOC membership is considered voluntary. Hence

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2004-12-31 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Scott, On Fri, 2004-12-31 at 15:18, ext Scott Bradner wrote: Personally, I don't understand why we would have a different reimbursement policy for IAOC members than for IESG and IAB members. just being willing to pay travel expenses might make it possible for someone to be able to do

AdminRest: BCP -03: Special audits

2004-12-30 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hi, sorry to tune in late, but keeping up with all the mails that are going around I needed a vacation at the place of my in-laws... I think the issue of a yearly audit has been solved already in the past (Issue 721). However, I think that there is no mention of a special audit outside the

Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2004-12-30 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hi, I think one of the things still missing from the document is setting of the compensation for the IAOC members for their services, travel, etc. I think that everybody expects the job to be voluntary and that's why it has not been documented. However, for the sake of avoiding future discussions

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2004-12-30 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
invested to the IAOC work. I think what I have proposed is in line with the current practice in IAB/IESG as well, for instance. Cheers, Jonne. On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 20:10, ext EKR wrote: Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think one of the things still missing from

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2004-12-30 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
by-laws... Cheers, Jonne. On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 20:30, ext EKR wrote: Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if we decide to reimburse for the expenses created by the position in the IAOC we have to create also rules what is reimbursed and on what terms. E.g., in what

Re: Adminrest: BCP -03: Compensation for IAOC members

2004-12-30 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Scott, On Thu, 2004-12-30 at 20:14, ext Scott Bradner wrote: thanks to Jonne for bringing this up - I agree that some text about this should be in the document but I disagree on what it should say. imo - the IAOC members should not be compensated for their time but I think its reasonable

My opinion on administrative restructuring: Scenario O

2004-09-27 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hello everybody, though, I have been silent mostly throughout the discussion on the mailing list (playing mostly catch up with all of you on the mailing list), I do have an opinion. First of all, I would like to state my respect for everybody writing documents and doing the ground work for us

Re: admin director (was The other parts of the report..)

2004-09-14 Thread Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
Hello everybody, I think before proceeding with hiring a person we should have a bit more discussion on the responsibilities and tasks for the admin director. I think Carl's proposal is a good first cut on these. However, it is just that. On the actual proposal, I was wondering if the current