Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-02 Thread Chris Griffiths
On Aug 2, 2013, at 9:58 PM, SM wrote: Hello SM, > Hi Chris, > At 13:59 01-08-2013, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Re the Trust's plenary slides (I was not in Berlin): >> >> I have an allergy to modifying the Trust Agreement unless there's an >> overwhelming reason to do so. It was a very hard-won

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-03 Thread SM
Hi Chris, At 23:56 02-08-2013, Chris Griffiths wrote: I just replied to Brian's email, and also requested that Jorge Contreras (CC'd) weigh in with his legal review on this matter. Please let me know if you need any further details. I'll wait for Jorge Contreras's comments. While I cannot sp

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-03 Thread Chris Griffiths
On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Hi Brian, > Re the Trust's plenary slides (I was not in Berlin): > > I have an allergy to modifying the Trust Agreement unless there's an > overwhelming reason to do so. It was a very hard-won piece of text. I recognize that this was a ver

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-03 Thread Chris Griffiths
On Aug 2, 2013, at 4:23 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > FWIW, I share Brian's concern and reasoning about these > questions (and his allergy). I might have a lower threshold of > necessity as a requirement for changing the agreement, but I'm > not convinced -- from either the slide or what I could

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-03 Thread Jorge Contreras
Please see below for some specific responses to Brian's concerns. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote: > On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:59 PM, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > > Re the Trust's plenary slides (I was not in Berlin): > > > > I hav

RE: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Chris, > >> Issue #1 > >> We have recently been asked permission to > >> republish the TAO with a creative commons > >> license, but unfortunately the current trust > >> agreement does not give the trustees the > >> rights to do this > > > > It doesn't? You have the right to license "existing a

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Jorge, Thanks for the careful explanations. My only quibble is whether the phrase "other than rights in IETF standards-related documents (such as RFCs, Internet Drafts and the like)" actually excludes the Tao, which is not a standards document, but is very relevant to the standards process and was

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, August 03, 2013 06:50 -0500 Jorge Contreras wrote: > Please see below for some specific responses to Brian's > concerns. >... Jorge, Given this explanation, I'm ok with seeing a specific proposal. I think that proposal should reflect a minimum change model. As far as CC is con

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:29 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > As > far as CC is concerned, I'm not persuaded that it meets out need > but not persuaded that it would cause great harm for > non-standards documents either. At the risk of opening up the paint cabinet inside the bike shed: what do you think

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-05 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Brian E Carpenter > Thanks for the careful explanations. I'll second that; it does seem that some tweaking may be in order. > Clearly the Trust shouldn't have blanket permission to abandon or > dispose of assets When the time comes to draft actual wording, I would sugge

Re: [Trustees] The Trust Agreement

2013-08-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 06/08/2013 03:11, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Brian E Carpenter > > > Thanks for the careful explanations. > > I'll second that; it does seem that some tweaking may be in order. > > > Clearly the Trust shouldn't have blanket permission to abandon or > > dispose of assets >