Re: Academic and open source rate

2013-08-20 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hola Arturo, At 07:34 19-08-2013, Arturo Servin wrote: Academic might work. Open source not so much as other mentioned. Does Big Corporation doing Open Source apply? I was tempted to propose non-profit, but

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, August 18, 2013 17:04 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: I'd love to get more developers in general to participate - whether they're open or closed source doesn't matter. But I don't know how to do that, beyond what we do now. The email lists are free and open. The

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread Hadriel Kaplan
On Aug 18, 2013, at 8:04 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: On reading the second paragraph of the above message I see that you and I might have a common objective. You mentioned that you don't know how to do that beyond what is done now. I suggested a rate for people with an open source

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 19, 2013 09:35:25 Hadriel Kaplan wrote: On Aug 18, 2013, at 8:04 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: On reading the second paragraph of the above message I see that you and I might have a common objective. You mentioned that you don't know how to do that beyond what is done

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Scott Kitterman sc...@kitterman.comwrote: But my point was more that open source is meaningless, and not what I think we're missing/need. I agree we need more developers (at least in RAI it would help), but whether the things they develop are open source

Re: Academic and open source rate

2013-08-19 Thread Arturo Servin
weight, or any such thing. That sounds like the ability to pay. It might be worth considering changing the student rate to an academic and open source rate and doubling the rate. I am not getting into a definition of academic or open source [1]. It is left to the organization to determine

Re: Academic and open source rate

2013-08-19 Thread SM
Hola Arturo, At 07:34 19-08-2013, Arturo Servin wrote: Academic might work. Open source not so much as other mentioned. Does Big Corporation doing Open Source apply? I was tempted to propose non-profit, but also there are organizations with large budgets. And profit driven

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread SM
Hi John, At 06:11 19-08-2013, John C Klensin wrote: I think this is bogus and takes us down an undesirable path. Ok. First, I note that, in some organizations (including some large ones), someone might be working on an open source project one month and a proprietary one the next, or maybe

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:49 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: ... First, I note that, in some organizations (including some large ones), someone might be working on an open source project one month and a proprietary one the next, or maybe both concurrently. Would it be appropriate

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, August 19, 2013 18:08:00 John C Klensin wrote: --On Monday, August 19, 2013 12:49 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: ... First, I note that, in some organizations (including some large ones), someone might be working on an open source project one month and a proprietary one

Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread SM
weight, or any such thing. That sounds like the ability to pay. It might be worth considering changing the student rate to an academic and open source rate and doubling the rate. I am not getting into a definition of academic or open source [1]. It is left to the organization to determine

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread Vinayak Hegde
of the system. I'm not proposing they get more attention, or more weight, or any such thing. That sounds like the ability to pay. It might be worth considering changing the student rate to an academic and open source rate and doubling the rate. I am not getting into a definition of academic

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread Hadriel Kaplan
On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:21 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: 1. If the IETF is serious about running code (see RFC 6982) it would try to encourage open source developers to participate more effectively in the IETF. Define open source developers. Technically quite a lot of developers at my

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread John C Klensin
--On Sunday, 18 August, 2013 08:33 -0400 Hadriel Kaplan hadriel.kap...@oracle.com wrote: ... And it does cost the IETF lots of money to host the physical meetings, and that cost is directly proportional to the number of physical attendees. More attendees = more cost. I had promised myself

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread Hadriel Kaplan
I've been told, though obviously I don't know, that the costs are proportional. I assume it's not literally a if we get one additional person, it costs an additional $500. But I assume SM wasn't proposing to get just one or a few more open source developer attendees. If we're talking about

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Hadriel Kaplan hadriel.kap...@oracle.comwrote: On Aug 18, 2013, at 5:21 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: 1. If the IETF is serious about running code (see RFC 6982) it would try to encourage open source developers to participate more effectively in the IETF.

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread John Levine
In article 01672754-1c4f-465b-b737-7e82dc5b3...@oracle.com you write: I've been told, though obviously I don't know, that the costs are proportional. I assume it's not literally a if we get one additional person, it costs an additional $500. But I assume SM wasn't proposing to get just one or

Re: Academic and open source rate (was: Charging remote participants)

2013-08-18 Thread SM
Hi Hadriel, At 05:33 18-08-2013, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: Define open source developers. Technically quite a lot of developers at my employer develop open source, as do many at many of the corporations which send people to the IETF. Heck, even I personally submit code to Wireshark now and then.