According to this article (links to Wired):
http://snurl.com/u1gr0
Wired Magazine was or is being blocked by the Chinese national
firewall, and they don't know why.
Very interesting, from an IETF-hosting perspective.
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From: "Dean Willis"
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Subject: China blocking Wired?
> According to this article (links to Wired):
>
> http://snurl.com/u1gr
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> From: "Dean Willis"
> To: "IETF-Discussion list"
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:32 PM
> Subject: China blocking Wired?
>
>
> > According to this article (links to Wired):
> >
> > http://snurl.com/u1gr0
At 10:32 PM -0600 1/10/10, Dean Willis wrote:
>Very interesting, from an IETF-hosting perspective.
I cannot imagine going to an IETF meeting and not being able to read
Wired magazine while I am there.
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What China blocks or doesn't block is quite irrelevant to what kind of
service we can expect on the IETF meeting network in Beijing, as has
previously been carefully explained. We have a document that has been
humorously referred to as the Host Requirements Document.
Enough said.
Ole
Ole J. Ja
On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
At 10:32 PM -0600 1/10/10, Dean Willis wrote:
Very interesting, from an IETF-hosting perspective.
I cannot imagine going to an IETF meeting and not being able
to read Wired magazine while I am there.
So, are there likely to be problems
On 1/11/2010 10:11 AM, Dean Willis wrote:
What other sorts of publications should our attendees leave at home for
fear of violating national standards with which me might not be
familiar?
This sort of pre-reality schadenfreude can't possibly serve any constructive
purpose.
Really, it woul
--On Monday, January 11, 2010 12:11 -0600 Dean Willis
wrote:
>...
> What other sorts of publications should our attendees leave at
> home for fear of violating national standards with which me
> might not be familiar? Are thre likelto be be digital media
> searches of the sort feared at US and
Dean,
Get real. When have you EVER had any reading material inspected by ANY
authority ANYWHERE in the world? OK, so I am not aware of your
particular reading habits and yes, I *can* imagine that *some*
material *might* attract the attention of customs officials in any
given part of the world,
On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:41 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
Many of us have been to China multiple times. I am not aware of
anyone who has been granted a business or professional visa, and
who has gone and behaved professionally, having nearly the
problems with entry or exit that have been typical of t
On 2010-01-12 07:11, Dean Willis wrote:
>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>
>> At 10:32 PM -0600 1/10/10, Dean Willis wrote:
>>> Very interesting, from an IETF-hosting perspective.
>>
>> I cannot imagine going to an IETF meeting and not being able to
>> read Wired magazine wh
On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Dean,
Get real. When have you EVER had any reading material inspected by ANY
authority ANYWHERE in the world? OK, so I am not aware of your
particular reading habits and yes, I *can* imagine that *some*
material *might* attract the attention of
On 1/11/2010 11:52 AM, Dean Willis wrote:
How about some practical guidance for the folks who haven't been there
multiple times, beyond "Behave professionally and don't do anything
stupid." We have lots of people who don't know they're "being stupid"
because in their world, what they're doing i
On 2010-01-11, at 14:52, Dean Willis wrote:
Unlike the US, whose border-liabilities are fairly well understood
by IETFers,
Seriously? I cross the US-Canada border all the time, and I'm a
citizen of both countries, and I can still barely keep up with the
constant, apparently random re
Dean,
Oddly, I've had none of the experiences you've had and I've been known to
travel a bit (1.6 million miles on United, top frequent flier "honors" on 3
carriers (UAL, NWA, JAL) simultaneously, etc.), including to quite a few places
where folks from the US weren't particularly popular. The
On Jan 11, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
Seriously? I cross the US-Canada border all the time, and I'm a
citizen of both countries, and I can still barely keep up with the
constant, apparently random revocations niggly little details of
local conventions at each crossing since l
On Jan 11, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Methinks you are implicitly suggesting that the IETF's pages for a
site should include some "getting along in the site's country"
guidance as an on-going requirement. Methinks this is an excellent
idea.
Happily, "Doing Business in..."
I try not to follow up to postings on this topic, but since I can comment on
specifics...
Many of us have been to China multiple times. I am not aware of
anyone who has been granted a business or professional visa, and
who has gone and behaved professionally, having nearly the
problems with en
Hi, I just tried in Beijing China, everything is fine while accessing
www.wired.com
Thanks,
Zhen
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Dean Willis wrote:
> According to this article (links to Wired):
>
> http://snurl.com/u1gr0
>
>
> Wired Magazine was or is being blocked by the Chinese national firew
Title: Re: China blocking Wired?
At 11:31 AM +0800 1/12/10, Zhen Cao wrote:
Hi, I just tried in Beijing China,
everything is fine while accessing www.wired.com
That doesn't mean everything is fine: Dean can still come up with
a list of hypothetical problems that would affect the China me
in"
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I try not to follow up to postings on this topic, but since I can comment on
specifics...
>> Many of us ha
camera. No
> put-your-finger-here. Only a quick look at the passport and a "Ok" :)
>
> And, no checking of the luggage or questions regarding what stuff I'm
> carrying. At least once I've had a couple of lap-tops with me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
&
Dean:
The first time I went to China was in 1998; I have been there several
times a year most years since. I bring with me a bible, which is
likely to be a lot more threatening to a communist government than a
thousand naked ladies dancing in the airport, and encryption software
(Cisco VP
quick look at the passport and a "Ok" :)
> >
> > And, no checking of the luggage or questions regarding what stuff I'm
> > carrying. At least once I've had a couple of lap-tops with me.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Christer
> >
> >
> &g
On 1/12/2010 1:24 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
People from the PRC don't have horns. Really.
Actually, they have world-class performers for the full range of musical
instruments.
d/
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> Actually, they have world-class performers for the full range of musical
> instruments.
non-musical too ...
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It was all a big mistake.
Someone in the Chinese govt decided that they wanted the entire
country to have 'wireless Internet' by 2010. Someone made a mistake
and thought they had asked for a 'Wired-less Internet'.
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Dean Willis wrote:
> According to this article (
A New York Times article posted this afternoon may be of interest to
readers of this thread: "Google, Citing Cyber Attack, Threatens to
Exit China".
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/world/asia/13beijing.html?hp
"Google said that it had found 'a highly sophisticated and targeted
attack on our
This is all being overtaken by events.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/12/google.china/index.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/chinese-internet-activists-applaud-google-1866551.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8455712.stm
http://publicaddress.net/6413#p
Dave CROCKER wrote:
>
>
> Methinks you are implicitly suggesting that the IETF's pages for a site
> should
> include some "getting along in the site's country" guidance as an on-going
> requirement. Methinks this is an excellent idea.
>
>
Dave,
I think that this is a *very good* idea, n
Dave CROCKER wrote:
> Historically, inconsistencies from one US airport to another have been
> pretty common. It's really great fun to have a staffer at one airport
> firmly instruct me on how to avoid future problems at security, with
> what I carry and how I pack it, given conflicting, firm ins
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Yo Joel!
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, joel jaeggli wrote:
> it's not a secret it's not part of some wierd anti terrorist measure
> which is inconsistently enforced for the purposes of obfuscation, it's
> just an FAA rule.
DOT != FAA.
If it is an FAA rule c
Gary E. Miller wrote:
> Yo Joel!
>
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, joel jaeggli wrote:
>
>> it's not a secret it's not part of some wierd anti terrorist measure
>> which is inconsistently enforced for the purposes of obfuscation, it's
>> just an FAA rule.
>
> DOT != FAA.
>
> If it is an FAA rule can y
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