In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Holdrege wr
ites:
I'm not sure what "sounds a bit overmuch" to you. Have a look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid%5F15/150465.stm
How is this different than looking in your bags for porn magazines or
videotapes? How is looking at your
Dennis Glatting wrote:
Perhaps at the Pittsburgh plenary we should discuss whether we want to
move the London meeting elsewhere, least all of our lap tops be
"scanned" and cryto keys surrendered.
Or maybe we should discuss it here, so as not to exclude people who can't
make it to Pittsburgh
Matt Holdrege writes:
How is this different than looking in your bags for
porn magazines or videotapes?
It's not. I take it that you don't mind having your bags searched? How
about your wallet? Where do you draw the line, or don't you draw one?
How is looking at your stored email
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 3:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
Matt Holdrege wrote:
I'm not sure what "sounds a bit overmuch" to you. Have a look at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid%5F15/150465.stm
How is this diffe
[from [EMAIL PROTECTED], (www.benton.org/News/)
Communications-related Headlines for 7/19/2000
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BRITISH AUTHORITIES MAY GET WIDE POWER TO DECODE E-MAIL
Issue: Privacy/International
Britain may adopt a law making it the only Western democracy where the
government could require anyone using the
Eric Brunner wrote:
[from [EMAIL PROTECTED], (www.benton.org/News/)
Communications-related Headlines for 7/19/2000
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BRITISH AUTHORITIES MAY GET WIDE POWER TO DECODE E-MAIL
Perhaps at the Pittsburgh plenary we should discuss whether we want to
move the London meeting elsewhere, least
Jon Crowcroft wrote:
yo udont know about RIP then
if you visit the UK, and are asked to show any files on your computer,
you cannot claim you "cannot remember the key"
that wil lbe deemed evidence that you are witholding evidence and yo
ucan go to jail jus for that.,. i.e. our new
Well been British, we are to polite and would not like to make a fuss. :)
-Original Message-
From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
Jon Crowcroft wrote:
yo udont know
Jonathan Parkinson wrote:
Well been British, we are to polite and would not like to make a fuss. :)
Yeah, the ones who liked to make a fuss went off and started their own
democracies centuries ago.
So the British really don't mind having their privacy compromised, then? I
hope Americans show
In message 008601bff09b$8b32e9b0$0a0a@contactdish, Anthony Atkielski type
d:
Well been British, we are to polite and would not like to make a fuss. :)
Yeah, the ones who liked to make a fuss went off and started their own
democracies centuries ago.
So the British really don't mind
At 11:50 AM 7/18/00 +0100, Jon Crowcroft wrote:
next summer's IETF meeting is tentatively scheduled for London, England
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt
if you turn up at customs with a laptop, you may be asked to show any
and all files on it to the nice chaps there. if someone has
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Holdrege wr
ites:
At 11:50 AM 7/18/00 +0100, Jon Crowcroft wrote:
next summer's IETF meeting is tentatively scheduled for London, England
http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt
if you turn up at customs with a laptop, you may be asked to show any
and all
Matt Holdrege [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: Jon Crowcroft [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim
Stephenson-Dunn/C/HQ/3Com)
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Holdrege wr
ites:
At 11:50 AM 7/18/00 +0100, Jon Crowcroft wrote:
next summer's IETF meeting is t
Phil Neumiller wrote:
I like this idea! Yeah, if we can reclassify black boxes as munitions, as
the NSA has
done to encryption for years, then we can claim that we have the "right to
bear black
boxes".
...just like we have the right to own nuclear weapons.
--
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-Original Message-
From: Book, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:45 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Email Privacy eating software
Hmmm, I think the federal government might have another opinion that topic,
re: Waco, etc., but this is far
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:37:47 PDT, Brian Lloyd said:
Personally, I satisfy my desire for privacy by using strong encryption
wherever possible. I sure hope I am not hurting any feelings at the FBI.
From the Sendmail 8.11 Release notes:
Support SMTP Service Extension for Secure SMTP
At 12:15 PM 7/17/2000, David A. Higginbotham wrote:
When is one oppressed such that fighting is appropriate? Where does one
begin this fight should such a point be reached?
I will be happy to discuss my views on this with you but my feeling is that
it is not an appropriate topic of discussion
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
I don't understand why the FBI feels that it needs to have a top-secret
black box attached to the ISP's network. Why not just have the ISP provide
a copy of all e-mail to or from the specified mailbox?
Because other people will know when they're
In message 01dc01bfed78$0e7a55a0$0a0a@contactdish, Anthony Atkielski type
d:
I don't understand why the FBI feels that it needs to have a top-secret
black box attached to the ISP's network. Why not just have the ISP provide
a copy of all e-mail to or from the specified mailbox?
://www.rip-off.co.uk/fuel.htm'
:-)
-Original Message-
From: Jon Crowcroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 12:03 PM
To: Anthony Atkielski
Cc: ietf
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
In message 01dc01bfed78$0e7a55a0$0a0a@contactdish, Anthony Atkielski
: "Anthony Atkielski" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "ietf" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
In message 01dc01bfed78$0e7a55a0$0a0a@contactdish, Anthony Atkielski
type
d:
I don't understand why the FBI feels that i
Atkielski
Cc: ietf
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
In message 01dc01bfed78$0e7a55a0$0a0a@contactdish, Anthony =
Atkielski
type
d:
I don't understand why the FBI feels that it needs to have a =
top-secret
black box attached to the ISP's network. Why not just ha
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Isenberg writes
:
From today's Wall Street Journal
(http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB963523417716552926.htm):
One of the nation's largest Internet-service providers, Earthlink Inc., has
refused to install a new Federal Bureau of Investigation
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:13:35 +0200 (CEST)
From: Steven Cotton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
That, in turn, would likely require monitoring of the RADIUS traffic,
which (if it were different from release
-Original Message-
From: Steven Cotton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 10:14 AM
To: ietf
Subject: Re: Email Privacy eating software
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
That, in turn, would likely require monitoring of the RADIUS traffic,
which
How do you know "they" (whoever "they" might be) haven't?
Because they don't know how. And we know that they don't know how because
they are still setting up stupid things like Carnivore.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:43:29 +0200, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
How do you know "they" (whoever "they" might be) haven't?
Because they don't know how. And we know that they don't know how because
they are still setting up stupid things like Carnivore.
It has long been a
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