Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I agree with you SM, politics and considering countries names in that way, that is out of scope of IETF. Comments below, AB On 9/8/13, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia There were people from

Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread SM
, for instance, the protection provided by the Fourth Amendment applies only to US citizens and not to EU citizens or other non-US citizens; There aren't any villains in all this. There is a question of whether the company taking the data will value each of its customers equably when it comes

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
citizens; There aren't any villains in all this. There is a question of whether the company taking the data will value each of its customers equably when it comes to privacy. It doesn't seem so. The other countries concerned did not take the lead in establishing a network of secret prisons

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Jorge Amodio
The other countries concerned did not employ torture as the US did under President Bush. You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia -J

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Noel Chiappa
Probably best if we keep the politics off the IETF list. Noel

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.eduwrote: Probably best if we keep the politics off the IETF list. Noel I grew up in politics. There is a method to my approach here. I know that the IETF list is watched. I am making it clear that I am a personal

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: The other countries concerned did not employ torture as the US did under President Bush. You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia My original comment was limited to adversaries with potential

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:13:44 Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: ... might be the type of people who put confederate flags on their cars. ... Since Bull Run is the Union name for the battle, probably not (It'd have been Manassas from a Confederate perspective). Scott K P. S. We are

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread SM
At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia There were people from Pakistan who participated in the IETF. I recall an email exchange where a person from that country received an unpleasant comment from someone who is part of the

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 9/8/13 10:37 AM, SM wrote: At 07:07 08-09-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote: You mean like Pakistan, Iran, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia There were people from Pakistan who participated in the IETF. I recall an email exchange where a person from that country received an unpleasant comment from

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 09/09/2013 03:03, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.eduwrote: Probably best if we keep the politics off the IETF list. Noel I grew up in politics. There is a method to my approach here. Nevertheless, it is the wrong

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread Janet P Gunn
ietf-boun...@ietf.org wrote on 09/08/2013 08:14:07 AM: From: Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com Another worrying aspect of BULLRUN is that it is named after a victory for the confederate side in the US civil war. But the battles are only called the (First or Second) Battle of Bull Run

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread SM
Hi Joel, At 11:59 08-09-2013, joel jaeggli wrote: Should your tools, the contents of your mind, and the various effects and context of your personal communication become instruments of state-power? Because the tools we've built are certainly capable of that. Yes. That's not a good motivation

Re: Equably when it comes to privacy

2013-09-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 9/8/13 4:36 PM, SM wrote: Hi Joel, At 11:59 08-09-2013, joel jaeggli wrote: Should your tools, the contents of your mind, and the various effects and context of your personal communication become instruments of state-power? Because the tools we've built are certainly capable of that.