Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-08-01 Thread Scott O Bradner
:-) its a label not a process (in this case) i.e., according to 2804 the label on the rfc should not be standards track Scott On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:33 PM, Randy Bush wrote: 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-08-01 Thread Martin Rex
Randy Bush wrote: Scott O Bradner wrote: 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do standards work in this area for those of us who are easily confused, could you differentiate between

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-31 Thread Loa Andersson
Scott, would you say that drafts aimed for experimental status are standards work. /Loa On 2012-07-30 18:33, Scott O Bradner wrote: 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do standards work in

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Loa, I can't speak for Scott, but I think the problem arises if any IANA assignments are needed, regardless of RFC status. That's because RFC 2804 speaks of the process for creating and maintaining IETF standards. IANA assignments are part of standards maintenance (IMHO, of course). Don't forget

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Bellovin
Also note that RFC 3924 exists. On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Loa, I can't speak for Scott, but I think the problem arises if any IANA assignments are needed, regardless of RFC status. That's because RFC 2804 speaks of the process for creating and maintaining IETF

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Under the long-standing IETF policy defined in RFC 2804, I trust we will not be discussing this draft, or draft-balaji-l2vpn-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis, in the IETF. Regards Brian Carpenter On 30/07/2012 09:26, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Randy Bush
Under the long-standing IETF policy defined in RFC 2804, I trust we will not be discussing this draft, or draft-balaji-l2vpn-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis, in the IETF. aol

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Scott O Bradner
2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do standards work in this area Scott On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Under the long-standing IETF policy defined in RFC 2804, I

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Eric Burger
We seem to be doing a lot of talking about the draft. On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Scott O Bradner wrote: 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do standards work in this area Scott

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Randy Bush
2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do standards work in this area for those of us who are easily confused, could you differentiate between working on douments and publishing them as rfcs

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Yes, Scott, that is correct, sorry for my poor phrasing. Brian On 30/07/2012 17:33, Scott O Bradner wrote: 2804 does not say not to talk about such things - or that such documents should not be published as RFCs - 2804 says that the IETF will not do standards work in this area Scott

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Stephen Farrell
I agree with the comments about 2804. I do note a lot of April 1 RFCs in the references though, so maybe its all a joke. S On 07/30/2012 06:51 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Yes, Scott, that is correct, sorry for my poor phrasing. Brian On 30/07/2012 17:33, Scott O Bradner wrote: 2804

Re: I-D Action: draft-balaji-mpls-lawful-intercept-thru-label-dis-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Glen Zorn
On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 19:26 +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: I agree with the comments about 2804. I do note a lot of April 1 RFCs in the references though, so maybe its all a joke. Gotta be! S On 07/30/2012 06:51 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: Yes, Scott, that is correct, sorry for