Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-14 Thread Brian E Carpenter
There are numerous improvements in this version and I hope we can get consensus soon. Just a couple of remarks on 5. Transition to a Standards Track with Two Maturity Levels 1) Probably there should be a statement that all existing Internet Standard documents are still classified as Internet

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-14 Thread Tony Hansen
On 3/14/2011 5:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: There are numerous improvements in this version and I hope we can get consensus soon. Just a couple of remarks on 5. Transition to a Standards Track with Two Maturity Levels 1) Probably there should be a statement that all existing Internet S

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread James M. Polk
At 04:05 PM 3/14/2011, Brian E Carpenter wrote: There are numerous improvements in this version and I hope we can get consensus soon. Just a couple of remarks on 5. Transition to a Standards Track with Two Maturity Levels 1) Probably there should be a statement that all existing Internet St

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Hello, 2011/3/14, Brian E Carpenter : > There are numerous improvements in this version and I hope we > can get consensus soon. > > Just a couple of remarks on > 5. Transition to a Standards Track with Two Maturity Levels > > 1) Probably there should be a statement that all existing >Internet

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:33 AM, James M. Polk wrote: Brian > > playing devil's advocate here... > > Say someone submits a request for an existing DS to the IESG and it takes 6 > months (or 3 months) to get through the process, but only 2 months remain > before the 2 year window is up (since this

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 3/14/2011 2:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: 2) More substantively, "Any protocol or service that is currently at the Draft Standard maturity level may be reclassified as an Internet Standard as soon as the criteria in Section 2.2 are satisfied. This reclassificatio

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Brian Carpenter
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:33 AM, James M. Polk wrote: >> >> Brian >> >> playing devil's advocate here... >> >> Say someone submits a request for an existing DS to the IESG and it takes >> 6 months (or 3 months) to get through the proc

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Brian Carpenter
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: > Hello, > > 2011/3/14, Brian E Carpenter : >> There are numerous improvements in this version and I hope we >> can get consensus soon. >> >> Just a couple of remarks on >> 5. Transition to a Standards Track with Two Maturity Levels >> >

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Brian Carpenter
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > On 3/14/2011 2:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >> 2) More substantively, >> >>"Any protocol or service that is currently at the Draft Standard >> maturity level may be reclassified as an Internet Standard as soon as >> >> the

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread James M. Polk
At 02:05 PM 3/15/2011, Brian Carpenter wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 3:33 AM, James M. Polk wrote: >> >> Brian >> >> playing devil's advocate here... >> >> Say someone submits a request for an existing DS to the IESG and it takes

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Martin Rex
Dave CROCKER wrote: > > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > > > Any documents that are still classified as Draft Standard two years > > after the publication of this RFC will be automatically downgraded > > to Proposed Standard. > > 1. While the accounting ugliness of leaving these untouche

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Bill McQuillan
On Tue, 2011-03-15, Martin Rex wrote: > Dave CROCKER wrote: >> >> Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> > >> > Any documents that are still classified as Draft Standard two years >> > after the publication of this RFC will be automatically downgraded >> > to Proposed Standard. >> >> 1. While

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-15 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2011-03-16 11:22, Martin Rex wrote: > Dave CROCKER wrote: >> Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Any documents that are still classified as Draft Standard two years >>> after the publication of this RFC will be automatically downgraded >>> to Proposed Standard. >> 1. While the accounting u

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-16 Thread Yoav Nir
On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:08 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >> To make clear which documents were issued under the original regime >> and which were issued under the new, there should probably be >> an obvious gap in the number range (going to 5 digit or 6 digit numbers). > > Oh, have you any guess

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-16 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 3/15/2011 4:08 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: That's why my personal preference is what I already suggested - just label them all as Internet Standard. Classifying specs as full standards, when there is no evidence that the criteria for Full are satisfied, is a good way to instantly de-valu

Re: I-D Action:draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-04.txt

2011-03-18 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Hello all, We reached the conclusion that the sunset period of 2 years for advancing DSs to FSs or downgrading of them. However there are some issues that should also be discussed, such as making references to DSs during this period, DSs already in IESG processing, etc. So, I propose to men