RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:19 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list (4) Others (probably a partially overlapping group with (3)) just find more rules

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-08 Thread Keith Moore
On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: -Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:19 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list (4) Others (probably a partially

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-08 Thread ned+ietf
-Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:19 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list (4) Others (probably a partially overlapping group with (3)) just find more rules

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-08 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, August 08, 2011 13:34 -0700 ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: -Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:19 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list (4

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-08 Thread ned+ietf
--On Monday, August 08, 2011 13:34 -0700 ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: -Original Message- From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:19 AM To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-07 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:38 -0700 Murray S. Kucherawy m...@cloudmark.com wrote: ... I don't know if there is a need for template changes or some formal section in the write up, but it would seem to me that an author who has reached a level of getting WG assigned ... OK, now I

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-05 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 16:12, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bill McQuillan [mcqui...@pobox.com] Perhaps it could be included in the ID-Announce message. In a lot of situations, the I-D submission tool knows the name of the relevant

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-05 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/5/2011 1:45 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: In my experience, many ID authors actually forget to consider where to send feedback. Thus making this something to be checked upon ID submission (maybe with a way to opt-out) might be helpful. +1 When something is a routine expectation it is

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Bill McQuillan
On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or simply to follow it. I

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 09:11, Bill McQuillan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Peter Koch
On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 10:36:46AM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote: I think I have read some I-D that including this useful information, but most do not. Its one the first things I look for. Just a thought if it makes sense. +100 Perhaps it could be included in the ID-Announce message.

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
04.08.2011 12:04, Peter Koch wrote: On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 10:36:46AM +0200, Julian Reschke wrote: I think I have read some I-D that including this useful information, but most do not. Its one the first things I look for. Just a thought if it makes sense. +100 Perhaps it could be included

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:36 +0200 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-08-04 09:11, Bill McQuillan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any,

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/4/2011 6:47 AM, John C Klensin wrote: This should be mandatory in IDs. ... But there are circumstances in which the appropriate mailing list is not known at the time of posting and others in which permission to use an obvious mailing list requires pre-approval that might significantly

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: Hector Santos I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or simply to follow it. We already have

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bill McQuillan [mcqui...@pobox.com] Perhaps it could be included in the ID-Announce message. In a lot of situations, the I-D submission tool knows the name of the relevant working group and could include its mailing list

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 16:11, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Hector Santos I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/4/2011 7:11 AM, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: Once one knows the WG name, And when there is no working group that the document is associated with? In addition, there is a certain degree of exclusionary culture that comes with a requirement that a new reader know how to derive a

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Hector Santos
I don't know if there is a need for template changes or some formal section in the write up, but it would seem to me that an author who has reached a level of getting WG assigned and/or even started a mailing list (IETF or otherwise) would be very eager to announce it in a new I-D (01?)

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Koch Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:04 AM To: IETF Discussion Subject: Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list I-D announcements are already copied to the relevant WG for WG drafts

RE: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hector Santos Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:10 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list I don't know if there is a need for template

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Hector Santos
AM To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list I don't know if there is a need for template changes or some formal section in the write up, but it would seem to me that an author who has reached a level of getting WG assigned and/or even started a mailing

I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-03 Thread Hector Santos
I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or simply to follow it. I think I have read some I-D that including this