Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-17 Thread Eliot Lear
As a life-long fan of the Gong Show, I think it'd be cool to have a big Gong on the dias, where perhaps after a bunch of loud hums, an AD or IAB member finally satisfies the audience. This could happen sooner or later, depending on whether we're talking about topic (1) NATs, (2) The standards

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-17 Thread Brian E Carpenter
In fact, lightning talks are SOP at most operator group meetings. I think that would be an excellent experiment. Brian On 2009-11-17 22:39, Eliot Lear wrote: As a life-long fan of the Gong Show, I think it'd be cool to have a big Gong on the dias, where perhaps after a bunch of loud hums,

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-17 Thread Lisa Dusseault
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, lightning talks are SOP at most operator group meetings. I think that would be an excellent experiment. Brian I agree, and in fact I've suggested lightning talks too; I think it tilts

Re: Jabber,... at IETF Plenary Discussions (Re: IETF Plenary Discussions)

2009-11-17 Thread Russ Housley
We have a hard time getting someone to go the minutes. I'd be pleased to do jabber if there was a volunteer for the typing. Russ At 04:47 AM 11/13/2009, Martin J. Dürst wrote: My understanding is that these days, most WG and BOF meetings have somebody watching jabber and bringing up comments

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-16 Thread Harald Alvestrand
Olaf Kolkman wrote: During previous technical sessions I mailed an announcement about the technical plenary and in those announcements I've asked something along the lines of: If you consider asking a question during the open-microphone session it would be helpful to send that question to

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-16 Thread Bob Hinden
Reaction to the timers was quite mixed, going all the way from love to hate; we never did a survey of the participants afterwards, I think. We probably should have. I was one of the folks who hated it. I view the open mikes as the time for the community to speak to the leadership

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-16 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2009-11-17 09:12, Bob Hinden wrote: Reaction to the timers was quite mixed, going all the way from love to hate; we never did a survey of the participants afterwards, I think. We probably should have. I was one of the folks who hated it. I view the open mikes as the time for the

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-16 Thread Melinda Shore
On Nov 16, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I agree that the I* should listen to the community, but then the community should regulate itself. Maybe we need a new tradition - something like a polite hum when someone has been ranting for long enough, and a loud hum when they have

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-16 Thread Danny McPherson
On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: I can think of a few people who I think have been ranting too long as soon as they step up to the mike. So, I think it's probably a mistake to turn plenaries into a techie version of The Gong Show - we shouldn't be making it easier to silence

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-13 Thread Eric Rescorla
At Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:56:45 -0500, Russ Housley wrote: I did not take the comment as disrespectful. A timer might be a very good experiment. And indeed used to be common practice. -Ekr ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Jabber, ... at IETF Plenary Discussions (Re: IETF Plenary Discussions)

2009-11-13 Thread Martin J. Dürst
My understanding is that these days, most WG and BOF meetings have somebody watching jabber and bringing up comments from there to the mic. Also, jabber scribing seems to be quite popular, complementing the audio channel (which this time, as reported elsewhere, was excellent). What about

Re: Jabber, ... at IETF Plenary Discussions (Re: IETF Plenary Discussions)

2009-11-13 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Martin J. Dürst a écrit : My understanding is that these days, most WG and BOF meetings have somebody watching jabber and bringing up comments from there to the mic. Also, jabber scribing seems to be quite popular, complementing the audio channel (which this time, as reported elsewhere, was

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-13 Thread Lars Eggert
FWIW, this source is my hacked up version of the original that commented out a bunch of stuff I don't need when I use this. YMMV. (And thanks to the guys who originally put this together! It's been helpful many times.) Lars On 2009-11-11, at 18:46, Scott Brim wrote: Tony Hansen allegedly

IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Danny McPherson
Russ, Olaf, et al, I was serious in my recommendation to experiment with limiting question (comment) time at the microphone at plenaries. I believe it'll not only help mere mortals pay more attention, but will also encourage those folks that have questions or comments to be more concise, thereby

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Stephan Wenger
+1 Stephan On 11/11/09 7:53 PM, Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net wrote: Russ, Olaf, et al, I was serious in my recommendation to experiment with limiting question (comment) time at the microphone at plenaries. I believe it'll not only help mere mortals pay more attention, but will also

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Russ Housley
I did not take the comment as disrespectful. A timer might be a very good experiment. Russ At 05:53 AM 11/11/2009, Danny McPherson wrote: Russ, Olaf, et al, I was serious in my recommendation to experiment with limiting question (comment) time at the microphone at plenaries. I believe

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Jari Arkko
Individuals taking a long time to talk either on the mike or responding on the stage :-) is one problem. At times I wonder if a bigger issue is how long certain topics are discussed. I'm sorry but I just can't get excited about labeling of standards track RFCs, or even about how to get early

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Tony Hansen
Didn't Harald put up a timer sometimes during open mike? Tony Hansen Russ Housley wrote: I did not take the comment as disrespectful. A timer might be a very good experiment. Russ At 05:53 AM 11/11/2009, Danny McPherson wrote: Russ, Olaf, et al, I was serious in my recommendation

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Hansen t...@att.com To: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: IETF Plenary Discussions Didn't Harald put up a timer sometimes during open mike? Tony Hansen Russ Housley wrote: I did not take the comment as disrespectful. A timer might be a very

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Scott Brim
Tony Hansen allegedly wrote on 11/12/2009 11:11 AM: Didn't Harald put up a timer sometimes during open mike? See attached ... Title: Discussion Timer TimeRemaining 0:00 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: IETF Plenary Discussions

2009-11-11 Thread Olaf Kolkman
During previous technical sessions I mailed an announcement about the technical plenary and in those announcements I've asked something along the lines of: If you consider asking a question during the open-microphone session it would be helpful to send that question to the IABi...@iab.org in