Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-26 Thread Robert M. Enger
Variation in Delay (jitter) may be an important motivation to bound the size of the MTU on FTTH. If one wishes to do voice (or other delay critical service) across this link, then one cannot use large playback buffers to mask jitter. A data under-run caused by a delay excursion would then result

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-25 Thread John Stracke
Stephen M. Bellovin wrote: >If you're doing >uncompressed voice (compression makes this effect worse), a 1500 byte >packet holds 214 ms of voice at the (U.S.) standard rate of 56K bps. >That's already beyond the delay budget, just for that one hop, On the other hand, that's assuming POTS-grad

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-25 Thread Francois Menard
> I think the compatibility issue is the driver here. As long as there is > some way to phase in new gear to take advantage of the standard, without > breaking what is there now, MTU size could be increased to something > that > makes sense for the applications. With streaming media, application

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-25 Thread RJ Atkinson
On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 09:51 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am trying to convince myself that the IEEE 802.3ah working group > working on FTTH should not consider a proposal to increase the MTU > size of Ethernet beyond 1500 bytes. There is a strong likelyhood > that 802.3ah may req

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-23 Thread bad bob
Francis Dupont wrote: > > In your previous mail you wrote: > >I am trying to convince myself that the IEEE 802.3ah working group >working on FTTH should not consider a proposal to increase the MTU >size of Ethernet beyond 1500 bytes. > > => usually larger frames are better than t

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-23 Thread Francis Dupont
In your previous mail you wrote: I am trying to convince myself that the IEEE 802.3ah working group working on FTTH should not consider a proposal to increase the MTU size of Ethernet beyond 1500 bytes. => usually larger frames are better than the opposite: if IEEE 802.3ah WG on FTTH (

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-22 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tony Hain" writes : >n the example here in particular, putting voice over >large packets is intuitively the wrong thing to do, and making those >frames larger than 1500 simply makes the problem worse. It's not just intuitive, it's quantitative. If you're doing

RE: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-22 Thread Francois D. Menard
FTTH = Fiber to the home... > then you'll be > increasing the size > of the last-hop MTU without increasing the MTUs on > intermediate hops, so > you won't gain much. Might be more important to preserve the > 1500 byte The reason to increase the MTU anywhere in the network must originate fr

RE: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-22 Thread Tony Hain
Francois wrote: > I am also listing the various approaches to transmit an FTTH IPv6 > packet (e.g. H.263 video + G.726 audio over RTP, over UDP, over IPv4 > over IPSecV6 over IPv6 with multiple source routing headers > {up to 23 ipv6 > addresses} and authentication), over multiple Ethernet frames

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:51:57 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I am also listing the various approaches to transmit an FTTH IPv6 > packet (e.g. H.263 video + G.726 audio over RTP, over UDP, over IPv4 > over IPSecV6 over IPv6 with multiple source routing headers {up to 23 ipv6 > addresses} and authe

Re: IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-22 Thread John Stracke
> over multiple Ethernet frames without > using IPv6 packet fragmentation mechanisms. One thing to remember is that IPv6 routers don't do fragmentation (RFC-2460, section 4.5). If FTTH (sorry, I don't recognize the acronym) gets used mostly as a LAN technology, then you'll be increasing the si

IPv6 MTU issues in FTTH applications

2002-02-22 Thread fm-listproc
I am trying to convince myself that the IEEE 802.3ah working group working on FTTH should not consider a proposal to increase the MTU size of Ethernet beyond 1500 bytes. There is a strong likelyhood that 802.3ah may require a redesign of SerDes chipsets, so why not view this as an opportunity to