Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-12 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:38:00PM -0800, Dave CROCKER wrote: 1. Permanently and irrevocably ban postings from any and all addresses that Dean controls. An organized attack warrants it. 2. Highten strictures on ietf list posting. I'm not entirely clear what level the current bar is

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-12 Thread Clint Chaplin
And once the moderate switch has been thrown, what criteria will be used to decide which messages to allow and which to block? On 2/11/09, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:38:00PM -0800, Dave CROCKER wrote: 1. Permanently and irrevocably ban postings from any and

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-10 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from Cullen Jennings on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 09:40:55AM -0700: On Feb 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Scott Brim wrote: Dean's mail does not hurt any of us. OK, it does take a minute of our time to unsubscribe but that's it. In my opinion it is not alright for someone to harvest email address

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-10 Thread Dave CROCKER
Scott Brim wrote: I see your point, but does it warrant a perpetual irrevocable ban on all interactions? Scott, When someone demonstrates a permanent pattern of disruptive behavior, with no counter-balancing pattern of useful contribution, their presence is purely a distraction.

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-10 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Feb 10, 2009, at 12:23 PM, David W. Hankins wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 08:20:22PM -0500, Scott Brim wrote: Dean's mail does not hurt any of us. OK, it does take a minute of our time to unsubscribe but that's it. The ietf list will see the same Spam behaviour on the Internet is

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-10 Thread TSG
Scott Brim wrote: Excerpts from Cullen Jennings on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 09:40:55AM -0700: On Feb 9, 2009, at 6:20 PM, Scott Brim wrote: Dean's mail does not hurt any of us. OK, it does take a minute of our time to unsubscribe but that's it. In my opinion it is not alright for

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-10 Thread Scott Brim
Excerpts from Dave CROCKER on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 09:25:14AM -0800: Scott Brim wrote: I see your point, but does it warrant a perpetual irrevocable ban on all interactions? When someone demonstrates a permanent pattern of disruptive behavior, with no counter-balancing pattern of useful

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-10 Thread John Levine
I see your point, but does it warrant a perpetual irrevocable ban on all interactions? In Dean's case, yes. There's a great deal of history here. R's, John ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-09 Thread Dave CROCKER
Folks, The enclosed comes from iadl.org which is controlled by av8.com which is controlled by Dean Anderson. Normally, I advocate entirely ignoring silliness, but the current version of it is more than silly. This action by Dean is not merely posting inappropriate notes that would warrant

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:38:00 -0800 Dave CROCKER d...@dcrocker.net wrote: ... Since we happen to simultaneously be suffering a DOS attack on the list from a separately-concerned community, ... I think an accusation that the FSF is conducting a DOS attack on the IETF is very serious. If you

Re: It's time for some new steps (was: [Welcome to the Ietf-honest mailing list])

2009-02-09 Thread Scott Brim
Dave: I disagree ... Dean's mail does not hurt any of us. OK, it does take a minute of our time to unsubscribe but that's it. The ietf list will see the same messages it has already been seeing; his list will carry a few other messages for people who choose to use it. Messages sent to his list