Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-12 Thread Brian E Carpenter
C. M. Heard wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Eric Rosen wrote: There are also other reasons why I find this proposed experiment disheartening. For one thing, it really misses the point. We need to simplify our processes, not make them more complicated. Either we need the

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-12 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 12 June, 2006 12:20 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The real underlying problem of course is the the multi-stage standards process is just a relic from another time, and makes no sense at all in the current environment. Experiments in fine tuning the

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-12 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I think this experiment is a good idea. While we have discussed throwing out the whole structure, we have not agreed to do so. (I happen to not like the 1-step proposals, but that is not the point.) Whether we eventually throw out the whole thing or not, in teh mean time this improves our

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-12 Thread Ned Freed
--On Monday, 12 June, 2006 12:20 +0200 Brian E Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The real underlying problem of course is the the multi-stage standards process is just a relic from another time, and makes no sense at all in the current environment. Experiments in fine

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-12 Thread Pekka Savola
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, John C Klensin wrote: FWIW, I still think the approach in the draft is a good idea given that... (1) We have not been able to get consensus eliminating a multistep standard process. For reasons explained elsewhere, I personally consider that eliminating that process would

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread Eric Rosen
The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. If the individual submission is approved as an Experimental RFC, does that mean that the IETF will adopt the proposed experiment? If so, I don't think this draft should be approved.

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, 01 June, 2006 10:49 -0400 Eric Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. If the individual submission is approved as an Experimental RFC, does that mean that the IETF will adopt

Re: Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-06-01 Thread Eric Rosen
that text is not derogatory, but a simply statement of fact. Sorry, but however you may try to talk your way out of it, a statement like that technology may be unstable is derogatory. Until and unless the definitions of maturity levels are changed, that text is not derogatory, but a

Last Call: 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling' to Experimental RFC (draft-klensin-norm-ref)

2006-05-17 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'A Process Experiment in Normative Reference Handling ' draft-klensin-norm-ref-01.txt as an Experimental RFC This is a proposed process experiment under RFC 3933. The IESG plans to make a