Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-11 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:43:43 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: In Section 6.3: 'To distinguish the obfuscated identifier from other identifiers, it MUST have a leading underscore _.' I suggest removing the requirement and using can. The implementer can decide what to put in that

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-11 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:08 -0400 Alissa Cooper acoo...@cdt.org wrote: On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andreas Petersson wrote: The first half of the statement is basically a refinement of the previous sentence in the section (The Forwarded HTTP header field, by design, exposes

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-11 Thread SM
Hi Andreas, At 06:41 11-07-2012, Andreas Petersson wrote: How is it random bits of information when the specifications says that it MUST be underscore? As far as I can think of, the only thing that it will tell is that the implementation is following this specification. So, on the contrary; the

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:27:49 -0400 Alissa Cooper acoo...@cdt.org wrote: (incorporating some responses to http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg06599.html as a LC comment) It would be helpful if this document could further motivate the need for proxies to generate

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:59:43 -0700 SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Also, this statement in 8.3 is not really true and probably better left out: Proxies using this extension will preserve the information of a direct connection, which has an end-user privacy impact, if the end- user or

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:48:59 +0100 Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: So I have a question about this draft that wasn't resolved on apps-discuss and is maybe more suited for IETF LC anyway. With geopriv, we've gone to a lot of trouble to support end-users having some

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:28:48 -0700 The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: 1. While RFC Required forces new registrations through the IETF RFC process, and might discourage registrations from individuals or organizations that are unfamiliar with or averse to that process, Specification

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
Hi Andreas, On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Andreas Petersson wrote: The first statement above gets at this, but it seems to me that the middle ground between random generation per request and permanent unique token is worth emphasizing if there will be proxies that want to keep per-client

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Andreas Petersson
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:54:53 -0400 Alissa Cooper acoo...@cdt.org wrote: Hi Andreas, On Jul 10, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Andreas Petersson wrote: The first statement above gets at this, but it seems to me that the middle ground between random generation per request and permanent unique token is

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Alissa Cooper
On Jul 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Andreas Petersson wrote: The first half of the statement is basically a refinement of the previous sentence in the section (The Forwarded HTTP header field, by design, exposes information that some users consider privacy sensitive), so I don't see what is lost

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread SM
Hi Andreas, At 04:28 10-07-2012, Andreas Petersson wrote: I interpret it the other way around. It makes a deployer aware that there is also end user expectations to take into considerations. Removing it may work as well, but I think that less well reflects the discussion on the apps-list.

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-10 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 10:48:59PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: So I have a question about this draft that wasn't resolved on apps-discuss and is maybe more suited for IETF LC anyway. With geopriv, we've gone to a lot of trouble to support end-users having some control over their

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-09 Thread Alissa Cooper
(incorporating some responses to http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg06599.html as a LC comment) It would be helpful if this document could further motivate the need for proxies to generate static obfuscated tokens. These two lines in particular, from 6.3 and 8.3,

Re: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-09 Thread SM
At 11:27 09-07-2012, Alissa Cooper wrote: Is it possible to recommend that generated tokens have limited lifetimes (per-request or otherwise), and make the static case the exception? The first statement above gets at this, but it seems to me that the middle ground between random generation per

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
So I have a question about this draft that wasn't resolved on apps-discuss and is maybe more suited for IETF LC anyway. With geopriv, we've gone to a lot of trouble to support end-users having some control over their location privacy. This HTTP header will be used by proxies to forward on the

Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt (Forwarded HTTP Extension) to Proposed Standard

2012-07-09 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Applications Area Working Group WG (appsawg) to consider the following document: - 'Forwarded HTTP Extension' draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded-06.txt as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final