Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Francois Menard
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005, Masataka Ohta wrote: PKI has nothing to do with E2E. As CAs and DNS servers are intermediate systems, neither PKI nor DNS are E2E. As intermediate systems, they don't have any information on ongoing transaction that they can't give any real guarantee. Masataka-San, your NO

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 22:54 22/07/2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote: I wouldn't change a word in RFC 2826. The problem with RFC 2826 is that it links (for information) a unique domain name resolution (what we want) with a unique authoritative root file (we do not care it is "unique", we want the one we use to be pert

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Don't forget that > the uniqueness property of a domain name is used to guarantee uniqueness > in other, derived, namespaces, How is it guaranteed? That is, who pays how much if the broken uniqueness resulted in loss of, say, $1,000,000? Without proper guarantee, based

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Francois Menard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 42 lines which said: You, not everybody v I would for example not trust .travel from new.net if ICANN had assumed control over .travel ... I should be able to pic

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 10:08 AM -0400 7/22/05, Francois Menard wrote: I would for example not trust .travel from new.net if ICANN had assumed control over .travel ... I should be able to pick this from a PKI-based P2P trust chain, would I not? Then you have created a new root, namely a combined one that you have

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 13:31 22/07/2005, Francois Menard wrote: IETF-ers, What is the latest state-of-the-art thinking at the IETF about a distributed multiple-root systems for name discovery based on end-to-end peer-to-peer PKI-based trust discovery and trust chain management & properties/capabilities exchange (

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 10:08:03AM -0400, Francois Menard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 42 lines which said: You, not everybody v > I would for example not trust .travel from new.net if ICANN had assumed > control over .travel ... I should be able to pick this from a PKI-based >

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Francois Menard
However, there is more generality to my question ... I need a quick rundown of the latest thinking (RFCs, ID's, IESG & IAB directives, IRTF experiments) regarding: 1) distributed multiple roots I would certainly be interested in any scientific and technical papers about this issue. This is a ve

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
You have of course read RFC 2826, "IAB Technical Comment on the Unique DNS Root"? Of course, this is specifically about the DNS, and doesn't answer your question as it pertains to non-DNS systems --On fredag, juli 22, 2005 07:31:48 -0400 Francois Menard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IET

Re: Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:31:48AM -0400, Francois Menard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 39 lines which said: > However, there is more generality to my question ... I need a quick > rundown of the latest thinking (RFCs, ID's, IESG & IAB directives, IRTF > experiments) regarding: > >

Multiple roots & E2E PKI trust discovery, chain management & capabilities exchange

2005-07-22 Thread Francois Menard
IETF-ers, What is the latest state-of-the-art thinking at the IETF about a distributed multiple-root systems for name discovery based on end-to-end peer-to-peer PKI-based trust discovery and trust chain management & properties/capabilities exchange (I can sign you, you can sign me, I can do