E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Nicholas Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Scott Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nicholas Weaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:40:58 AM
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-
ietf-meeting
Let us ask a different question
In what ways can the ietf act to maximize the information available to
the embassy in question to enable them to determine that the
application comes from an active ietf participant?
A letter of invitation to a conference is likely to carry less
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From: Ole Jacobsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
Dave,
The IAOC
qualified for
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However
How would you solve the problem?
hold the meetings in non-terrorist countries. i.e. not the united states.
randy
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On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
the US is granted a
Melinda Shore wrote:
Is the issue the visa requirement itself or is it how visas are
processed?
from my pov, the latter. is it easy for folk from all countries to get
to the ietf meetings? for example, that chinese have problems getting
to this meeting is a major and embarrassing disaster.
Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
Disclaimer: What I say here are my words and don't represent the views of my
employer.
From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced by Chinese citizens.
Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa agreements with the US.
China however doesn't have that agreement with Ireland,
Fred Baker wrote:
I would be hesitant to drag the IETF into world politics; the law of
Unintended Consequences was invented to describe politics, I think.
It's not a matter of being dragged into politics. (Or at least, it shouldn't
be.)
It's essentially an engineering task of working to
Dave,
The IAOC is aware of the situation with respect to visas for visitors
from mainland China at this particular IETF meeting. Generally
speaking, applicants are NOT refused visas, they just don't get a
reply (or a visa) in time and they may never get a reply at all.
We are not sure what
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Dave CROCKER wrote:
It's not a matter of being dragged into politics. (Or at least, it shouldn't
be.)
It's essentially an engineering task of working to maximize the ability of
people to attend IETF meetings, by looking for venues where visa processing is
the least
captured and
documented...
I hope it help.
Thanks
Stephane
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From: David Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:21 PM
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria
Ole Jacobsen wrote:
speaking, applicants are NOT refused visas, they just don't get a
reply (or a visa) in time and they may never get a reply at all.
The key point is that there was a pattern of failure to get a visa. To me, the
remaining details are purely secondary.
We are not sure
Stephane H Maes wrote:
I think that if we aim at being an open standard organization, the
highest priority must always be to not disenfranchise any IETF participants.
If you really believe that, it follows that meeting fees (and meeting
expenses in general) need to be drastically reduced.
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Sent: 18 November 2008 10:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
yes, it's really a problem that IETF meeting
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ???
Sent: 18 November 2008 10:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ietf@ietf.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for
2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
yes
On 18 nov 2008, at 09.59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
be 100 million visa applications for the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting in CA next
If we could separate the humor from the serious issue here (assuming the
100 million was facetious), it would be interesting to know how many (if
any) spurious applications for visas that an IETF meeting would
generate. If the issue is that the US State Dept. can't sort through a
huge number
Am 18.11.2008 um 16:59 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
be 100 million visa applications for the
On 11/18/08 2:16 PM, Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would you solve the problem?
hold the meetings in non-terrorist countries. i.e. not the united states.
I don't know what that means. Canada, for example, is a peacekeeper
nation that requires visas for entry from countries from
Randy Bush wrote:
thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic prejudice at the
us government level that should preclude ietf being held in the united
states.
Folks who have read ietf mailing lists for awhile might have noticed that it's
distinctive when John Klensin and I agree
Two points:
1) As a U.S. citizen, I apologize for the statement made on this thread
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I quietly suggest to all that it be ignored.
I am he misspoke -- perhaps the laptop slipped in his lap at IETF73.
2) Again as a U.S. citizen, I will contact the IETF Chair and
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