> From: Thomas Heide Clausen [i...@thomasclausen.org]
>
> For some of us, getting reimbursed for a higher meeting fee is
> actually a lot easier than getting reimbursed for a higher
> hotel-fee. Such would be the case when, for example, traveling on a
> fixed per-diem intended for covering accommo
I'm pretty amazed at the angry tone in this thread.
Are you sound-and-fury types willing to roll up your sleeves and actually help
the IAOC do a better job, or perhaps join the NomCom to ensure selection of
people that can, or is this just capitalizing on the fact that's easy to be
antagonistic
> -Original Message-
> From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:58 AM
> To: Murray S. Kucherawy; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?
>
> For better or worse,
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From: "Mary Barnes"
To: "John C Klensin"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbitant?
> Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in air conditioned meetin
--On Monday, June 20, 2011 21:26 -0700 "Murray S. Kucherawy"
wrote:
>...
>> Phoenix. Probably Houston or Fort Worth. Wellington or
>> somewhere on the South Island that doesn't attract skiers.
>
> I was going to suggest Las Vegas. Certainly has adequate
> conference facilities and plenty of
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou
> Berger
> Sent: 21 June 2011 12:48
> To: Thomas Heide Clausen; Joel Jaeggli
> Cc: Henk Uijterwaal; Ole Jacobsen; ietf@ietf.org; Keith Moore
> Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't
I agree with Thomas, the meeting fees should cover the meetings and the
hotel bill should cover only an individual's room. This would be more
transparent!
Please feel free to take this as criticism (of the current fee
distribution policy).
Lou
On 6/21/2011 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
>
On Jun 21, 2011, at 12:00 AM, Glen Zorn wrote:
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> On 6/21/2011 1:16 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
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>>> please look at the balance sheet here:
>>>
>>> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf
>>>
>>> and note both the hot
On 6/21/2011 1:48 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
...
>
> Which you are qualified to asses on the basis of you long experience in
> meeting booking...
>
As a matter of fact, yes.
...
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On 6/21/2011 1:16 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
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>> please look at the balance sheet here:
>>
>> http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Meeting-Financials-2010-77.pdf
>>
>> and note both the hotel commission, a credit, and the zero charge associated
>> with meeti
On Jun 20, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
> On 6/21/2011 11:30 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> ...
>
>>> Actually, it seems that the conference rates at IETF hotels are quite
>>> predictable: a couple of months ago it was possible to book a room at
>>> the QC Hilton for $176 CAD/night _during the
On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
> On Jun 21, 2011, at 06:30 , Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>> It has been repeated ad-nausieum that "conference rates" subsidize the
>> rental of the meeting room block... The fact that the conference rates are
>> more expensive ( on a contract sig
On 6/21/2011 11:30 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
...
>> Actually, it seems that the conference rates at IETF hotels are quite
>> predictable: a couple of months ago it was possible to book a room at
>> the QC Hilton for $176 CAD/night _during the IETF meeting_; if you check
>> the Hilton Web site right
On Jun 21, 2011, at 06:30 , Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> It has been repeated ad-nausieum that "conference rates" subsidize the rental
> of the meeting room block... The fact that the conference rates are more
> expensive ( on a contract signed 24 months out) than a spot check of the room
> rate at an
>Why is this being discussed here? Logistics about Quebec and how to
>get there should be discussed on 81attendees.
>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/81attendees
The archive link on that page is 404. Has anyone ever posted a
message to that list?
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In message <4e00239f.4030...@gmail.com>, Henk Uijterwaal writes:
> On 21/06/2011 06:31, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>
> > H
On 21/06/2011 06:31, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
> How is travel significantly more difficult to Quebec City? It's one plane
> change from most US and Canadian points of origin that I checked, or even
> direct if you're close enough.
If you look at the number of cities served by direct flights fr
Thanks to those who replied with suggestions for accommodations.
Keith
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> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Randall Gellens
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:25 PM
> To: Henk Uijterwaal; ietf@ietf.org
> Cc: Dave Crocker
> Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Glen Zorn wrote:
> On 6/20/2011 11:54 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
>>
>> Keith,
>>
>> Here is the tradeoff:
>>
>> "The community" has expressed a strong preference for one-roof venues
>> [which often translates to convention center + hotel next door in our
>> case]
> -Original Message-
> From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John
> C Klensin
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:56 AM
> To: Michael Richardson; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't exorbita
On 6/21/2011 3:14 AM, Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) wrote:
> Same in my case!
So why is that the case? The IAOC is virtually guaranteeing a a
sold-out hotel the week of the IETF meeting, a thing that has not
inconsiderable value in the hospitality. How can they possibly not do
better?
On 6/21/2011 2:02 AM, Mary Barnes wrote:
> Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in air conditioned
> meeting rooms, Phoenix or Dallas are not bad choices. Dallas is slightly
> better due to air connections. Houston is not a good choice under any
> circumstance IMHO - I don't think A/C c
On 6/20/2011 11:54 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
>
> Keith,
>
> Here is the tradeoff:
>
> "The community" has expressed a strong preference for one-roof venues
> [which often translates to convention center + hotel next door in our
> case] in a city setting (City West and Maastricht being non-exampl
Vancouver is pretty expensive in summer. Can be twice the rate of November.
Weather.
Stephan
S.
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 20, 2011, at 21:49, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
> On 21/06/2011 03:24, Randall Gellens wrote:
>> At 3:55 AM +0200 6/20/11, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
>>
>>> May I point out that th
On 21/06/2011 03:24, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 3:55 AM +0200 6/20/11, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
>
>> May I point out that there has been a survey on the topic and the community
>> expressed a clear preference for Quebec over other Canadian cities, knowing
>> that travel would be longer and the n
At 3:55 AM +0200 6/20/11, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
May I point out that there has been a survey on the topic and the community
expressed a clear preference for Quebec over other Canadian cities, knowing
that travel would be longer and the number of cheap alternative hotels
smaller.
My recoll
Same in my case!
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
ext Thomas Nadeau
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 8:26 PM
To: John E Drake
Cc: Henk Uijterwaal; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't
exorb
Exactly. Given that we spend most of our days in air conditioned meeting
rooms, Phoenix or Dallas are not bad choices. Dallas is slightly better due
to air connections. Houston is not a good choice under any circumstance
IMHO - I don't think A/C can remove enough humidity to make it comfortable
--On Monday, June 20, 2011 13:32 -0400 Michael Richardson
wrote:
>...
> It's a peak season destination. We seem to do this a lot.
> March would be no better, but early November there would be, I
> think, low peak.
> What's a non-peak destination for July?
Phoenix. Probably Houston or Fort
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On 2011-06-20 13:32, Michael Richardson wrote:
> I'm staying at Laval University resident for $61/night. Hotwire did
> find a few places equal in distance for ~$108, but the trip was harder
> in my opinion. I might bring my folding bike, or not (I'm coming by
> train). There are apparently dozen
> "Ole" == Ole Jacobsen writes:
Ole> Here is the tradeoff:
Ole> "The community" has expressed a strong preference for one-roof
Ole> venues [which often translates to convention center + hotel
Ole> next door in our case] in a city setting (City West and
Ole> Maastricht bei
alf Of
>> Henk Uijterwaal
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:55 PM
>> To: ietf@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't
>> exorbitant?
>>
>> On 19/06/2011 08:01, Glen Zorn wrote:
>>> On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, K
Keith,
Here is the tradeoff:
"The community" has expressed a strong preference for one-roof venues
[which often translates to convention center + hotel next door in our
case] in a city setting (City West and Maastricht being non-examples).
This leads to (generally speaking):
* Somewhat expens
On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
> On 19/06/2011 08:01, Glen Zorn wrote:
>> On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
>>> IETF to be meeting in venues where the "conference hotels" are so
>>> expe
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> Subject: Re: Has anyone found a hotel for Quebec City that isn't
> exorbitant?
>
> On 19/06/2011 08:01, Glen Zorn wrote:
> > On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
> >
> >> Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly
> i
On 19/06/2011 08:01, Glen Zorn wrote:
> On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
>
>> Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
>> IETF to be meeting in venues where the "conference hotels" are so
>> expensive.
May I point out that there has been a survey on the
On 6/18/2011 9:52 PM, Keith Moore wrote:
> Frankly, I'm appalled at the prices and think it's highly inappropriate for
> IETF to be meeting in venues where the "conference hotels" are so expensive.
Don't get me started on the negotiating "skills" of the IAOC. More to
the point, there are a lot
Chateau Laurier $135 via booking.com
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I'm staying in the Delta for $209. That doesn't seem out of line to
me.
People who are very price sensitive can stay in the Laval university
dorms for $52/night. I know people who've stayed there for a
conference in the convention centre and said that it was fine. It's
too far to walk, so you w
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