Lars Eggert wrote:
We could link to the list (http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/all/)
but the page takes a long time to load...
http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/ is both more correct (it
is a list of current drafts) and loads faster. Made the change in my
local copy.
I would
Hi Lars,
At 02:28 27-10-2009, Lars Eggert wrote:
The second URL points to a list of FTP mirrors, fully half of which
are defunct in some way (don't respond, DNS name doesn't resolve,
contains stale content, etc.) Again, nobody has been noticing this.
The second URL is a redirection to the old
Hi,
On 2009-10-28, at 11:53, SM wrote:
At 02:28 27-10-2009, Lars Eggert wrote:
The second URL points to a list of FTP mirrors, fully half of which
are defunct in some way (don't respond, DNS name doesn't resolve,
contains stale content, etc.) Again, nobody has been noticing this.
The second
Hi Lars,
At 03:29 28-10-2009, Lars Eggert wrote:
There is no best thing to point at, really. I believe that pointing
at the datatracker is reasonable, and at least better than some
(many?) other options.
Yes, it is reasonable.
Suggest one?
I don't think I have a good answer to that as I do
I'm very much in favor of doing the proposed I-D boilerplate
compactification in some way, getting rid of OBE material,
and making all that pending headers and boilerplate changes
at a single cutoff date!
But if and when changing anything in the I-D boilerplate ...
could you please also drop in
Alfred nailed this one - it's exactly what was wrapping me around the poll.
The set of people who submit I-Ds doesn't map onto any other named set :-)
Thanks,
Spencer
Regarding the discussion on IETFers and non-IETFers, I would
like to add:
Since there's no concept of formal membership for
Looks good to me!
Best regards,
Pasi
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Eggert Lars (Nokia-NRC/Espoo)
Sent: 27 October, 2009 11:29
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Subject: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
Hi,
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 11:28 +0200, Lars Eggert wrote:
The list of current Internet-Drafts is at
http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/.
Is a nice space-saving measure, but isn't true. That URL leads to a
query page, not a list of current drafts.
___
Lars Eggert wrote:
Hi,
I'm proposing a change to the ID boilerplate in order to save some lines
on the first page. The current text says:
Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that
other groups may
The idea is generally acceptable to me but:
Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute
working documents as Internet-Drafts.
While we're at it, these two sentences are contradictory.
Internet-Drafts
On 2009-10-27, at 14:09, Scott Lawrence wrote:
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 11:28 +0200, Lars Eggert wrote:
The list of current Internet-Drafts is at
http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/.
Is a nice space-saving measure, but isn't true. That URL leads to a
query page, not a list of current drafts.
Hi,
On 2009-10-27, at 14:39, Lars Eggert wrote:
On 2009-10-27, at 14:09, Scott Lawrence wrote:
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 11:28 +0200, Lars Eggert wrote:
The list of current Internet-Drafts is at
http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/.
Is a nice space-saving measure, but isn't true. That URL
Hi, Julian,
The first URL was broken since the IETF web site redesign, but nobody has
noticed. That - to me - is a pretty strong indication that nobody has
been using it. (It is now fixed.)
The second URL points to a list of FTP mirrors, fully half of which are
defunct in some way (don't
Yeah, I got wrapped around this on the WGchairs list, too. Thanks, Jeff, for
schooling me.
The problem is that other groups really is open-ended, but we don't mean
other groups somewhere in the inhabited galaxy, that produce working drafts
using the same format, we mean other groups like IAB
Spencer Dawkins wrote:
...
I'm not the guy who has to keep syncing the tools with boilerplate
changes, so I'm not sure how much of a vote I should get, but my vote
would be that taking up that much of the first page of every draft with
information that is wrong, but that nobody even cares
, October 27, 2009 8:34 AM
To: Lars Eggert
Cc: IETF discussion list
Subject: Re: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
The idea is generally acceptable to me but:
Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also
Subject: Re: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
On 2009-10-27, at 14:09, Scott Lawrence wrote:
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 11:28 +0200, Lars Eggert wrote:
The list of current Internet-Drafts is at
http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/.
Is a nice space-saving measure, but isn't true
Brim; Lars Eggert
Cc: IETF discussion list
Subject: Re: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
Yeah, I got wrapped around this on the WGchairs list, too. Thanks, Jeff, for
schooling me.
The problem is that other groups really is open-ended, but we don't mean
other groups somewhere
, October 27, 2009 9:52 AM
To: Scott Brim; Lars Eggert
Cc: IETF discussion list
Subject: Re: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
Yeah, I got wrapped around this on the WGchairs list, too. Thanks, Jeff, for
schooling me.
The problem is that other groups really is open-ended, but we don't
...@wonderhamster.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Eric Gray; Scott Brim; Lars Eggert
Cc: IETF discussion list
Subject: Re: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
Importance: High
Hi, Eric,
The guidance I was getting on the wgchairs mailing list was that other
groups
...@ericsson.com
To: Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org; Scott Brim
scott.b...@gmail.com; Lars Eggert lars.egg...@nokia.com
Cc: IETF discussion list ietf@ietf.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: request for feedback: change to the ID boilerplate
Spencer,
Perhaps they thought
At 11:28 AM +0200 10/27/09, Lars Eggert wrote:
Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering
Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute
working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current
Internet-Drafts is at
Proposed change:
Many Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task
Force (IETF); other groups and individuals create Internet-Drafts that are
included in the repository that is maintained by the IETF. That repository is
available at some URL.
Perhaps more
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