a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-02 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf Comments welcome. Is it to be understood as an alt-root? or is it a legitimate hower single operator? Where to find the legal agreement with the USG or IANA if any? jfc ___ Ietf

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Brian E Carpenter
JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf Comments welcome. Is it to be understood as an alt-root? or is it a legitimate hower single operator? Neither. .gprs appears to be a private pseudo-TLD inside a walled garden for GPRS operators.

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On mandag, oktober 03, 2005 09:53:06 +0200 Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf Comments welcome. Is it to be understood as an alt-root? or is it a legitimate hower single operator?

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
On 09:53 03/10/2005, Brian E Carpenter said: JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf Comments welcome. Is it to be understood as an alt-root? or is it a legitimate hower single operator? Neither. .gprs appears to be a private pseudo-T

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Spencer Dawkins
OK, as much fun as this is... GPRS relies heavily on a tunneling mechanism (called GTP) for cellular mobility. It's IP based. The DNS that users know ANYTHING about is used INSIDE the tunnel - if a GPRS user types www.yahoo.com, that's INSIDE the tunnel. .gprs is used OUTSIDE the tunnel, to

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Spencer Dawkins" writes: >OK, as much fun as this is... > >GPRS relies heavily on a tunneling mechanism (called GTP) for cellular >mobility. It's IP based. > >The DNS that users know ANYTHING about is used INSIDE the tunnel - if a GPRS >user types www.yahoo.com,

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Wouldn't it at least make sense to require that the .gprs "pseudo-TLD" be reserved by IANA under Section 4 of RFC 2860 ("technical work items" and "assignments of domain names for technical uses"), with the proviso that this TLD must not be resolved, except locally ? This is under the theory th

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 11:58 AM -0400 10/3/05, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Wouldn't it at least make sense to require that the .gprs "pseudo-TLD" be reserved by IANA under Section 4 of RFC 2860 ("technical work items" and "assignments of domain names for technical uses"), with the proviso that this TLD must not be re

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Hoffman writes: >At 11:58 AM -0400 10/3/05, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>Wouldn't it at least make sense to require that the .gprs >>"pseudo-TLD" be reserved by IANA under Section 4 of RFC 2860 >>("technical work items" and >>"assignments of domain names for tech

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Wouldn't it at least make sense to require that the .gprs "pseudo-TLD" be reserved by IANA under Section 4 of RFC 2860 ("technical work items" and "assignments of domain names for technical uses"), with the proviso that this TLD must not be resolve

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Jeroen Massar
{sort-of IETF off-topic but we have RFC3675} On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 09:59 -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: > At 11:58 AM -0400 10/3/05, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >Wouldn't it at least make sense to require that the .gprs > >"pseudo-TLD" be reserved by IANA under Section 4 of RFC 2860 > >("technical wor

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Mon, 2005-10-03 at 13:27, william(at)elan.net wrote: > potentially they could switch > to using different CLASS (i.e. like HESIOD is locally used in MIT) Actually, MIT switched to class IN for Hesiod data years ago because multiple-class support didn't work as well as hoped. With the data in

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-05 Thread Sam Hartman
> "JFC" == JFC (Jefsey) Morfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JFC> On 09:53 03/10/2005, Brian E Carpenter said: >> JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: >>> http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf >>> Comments welcome. Is it to be understood as an alt-root? or

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-05 Thread Keith Moore
> Wouldn't it at least make sense to require that the .gprs > "pseudo-TLD" be reserved by IANA under Section 4 of RFC 2860 ("technical work > items" and > "assignments of domain names for technical uses"), with the proviso that > this TLD must not be resolved, except locally ? > > This is under

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-06 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 02:51:30PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote a message of 18 lines which said: > IMHO it would make a lot more sense to distribute the (ICANN signed) > root zone by multicast (or what the heck, even BGP) so that > resolvers would never refer queries to the root. It is distribut

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-06 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 09:35 06/10/2005, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 02:51:30PM -0400, Keith Moore wrote a message of 18 lines which said: > IMHO it would make a lot more sense to distribute the (ICANN signed) > root zone by multicast (or what the heck, even BGP) so that > resolvers would

RE: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-06 Thread Thomas Gal
> Should _every_ Internet user (let count one billion) receive > a personal copy of the root file every month, the decrease of > root related traffic on the Internet would be by 90%. That > the root server system works well, does not implies that the > root servers system concept is still the b

RE: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-06 Thread Nick Staff
> Should _every_ Internet user (let count one billion) receive a > personal copy of the root file every month, the decrease of root > related traffic on the Internet would be by 90%. That the > root server > system works well, does not implies that the root servers system > concept is still the

RE: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-06 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
At 02:33 07/10/2005, Thomas Gal wrote: > Should _every_ Internet user (let count one billion) receive > a personal copy of the root file every month, the decrease of > root related traffic on the Internet would be by 90%. That > the root server system works well, does not implies that the > root

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-07 Thread 'Stephane Bortzmeyer'
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 07:03:41PM -0700, Nick Staff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 45 lines which said: > The last time I had a reason keep a copy of the root file locally ... > I think .com alone weighed in at over 3 gigs So what? We're talking about the root zone, not about ".com".

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-07 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Sam Hartman wrote: "JFC" == JFC (Jefsey) Morfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JFC> On 09:53 03/10/2005, Brian E Carpenter said: >> JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: >>> http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf >>> Comments welcome. Is it to be understood a

RE: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-07 Thread Thomas Gal
Actually the whole DNS caching and forwarding scheme is simply analagous to a nice and easy heuristic greedy algorithm. It's not perfect..but it's about the best you can do without being rediculous. -Tom > The last time I had a reason keep a copy of the root file > locally was back around 19

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-09 Thread Kurt Erik Lindqvist
On 6 okt 2005, at 10.00, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: We now have 1.5 billions (most of the Internet users and many more) who will access the NewStar root file. As Spencer pointed out - you won't. .gprs is for the infrastructure that the users are connected to. Besides that walled-garden

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-09 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
--On mandag, oktober 03, 2005 09:53:06 +0200 Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: >> http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf >> Comments welcome. Is it to be understood as an alt-root? or is it

Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-09 Thread JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
Dear Jaap, Full agreement, but this does not address my concern. I fully understand that Internet designers tell what "should" be. As trying to use the Internet solutions in continuity with others management tools of the common digital ecosystem, I am more interested in what "can" be. And how