Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Michael Richardson wrote: Alexandru == Alexandru Petrescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexandru If my node has mode managed it will never attach to laptop Alexandru nodes Alexandru having same key same essid but mode ad-hoc. No, that's isn't true. It is true for: ad-hoc =

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Michael Richardson wrote: Why do you think that the helpful drivers that kept us coming up in IBSS mode (proper name for new ad-hoc mode) won't use the keys as well? Ok, I didn't know that. Further, as was said, it does nothing against malicious rogue APs? Rogue malicious wily ruthless users

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread shogunx
In fact, the client can't tell the difference between IBSS and BSS. Nor can Linux systems become IBSS systems without something like hostap (hostap is one way, wireless bridging might be another way I think.) one could have multiple wireless cards in one machine acting as access points

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Alexandru Petrescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Rogue malicious wily ruthless users skilled enough to configure hostap can rightfully be blamed; but not the novice user turning on a particular vendor's laptop. That may be true in some situations, but should it be tolerated at the IETF? Why

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: So instead of forcing key+essid on the clients, would setting the AP's MAC address on the clients be a solution? not really unless you want to want to be associated with one of 30 aps for the entire conference... In fact, the client can't

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: So instead of forcing key+essid on the clients, would setting the AP's MAC address on the clients be a solution? not really unless you want to want to be associated with one of 30 aps for the entire conference... Right. So label

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-21 Thread Andrew Partan
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 05:29:15PM +0100, Joel Jaeggli wrote: So instead of forcing key+essid on the clients, would setting the AP's MAC address on the clients be a solution? not really unless you want to want to be associated with one of 30 aps for the entire conference... The problem I ran

howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Hi, I was not at the last IETF, and couldn't see live the reportedly bad workings of WLAN. I am not going to make suggestions to 58crew since I'm certain they've already tried lots of configurations. Just to share our thoughts on how we make work several independent/deterministic-behaviour

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
what exactly is the point of having a wep key shared by 2000 people. except to have another thing for people to screw up when they try and type it in our paste it. thereby increasing the support overhead at the help desk. joelja On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: Hi, I was not

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Joel Jaeggli wrote: what exactly is the point of having a wep key shared by 2000 people. I didn't mean it for data confidentiality; I meant it for building the wires W in WEP not for the P privacy. Basically one such W for ietf and one for aodv. We've noticed that setting both the essid and the

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: -for the general public, set the AP's with both an essid and a key, in Infrastructure mode (managed). -for the aodv public, convene to use a different essid and a different key and ad-hoc mode. If the aodv people need several ad-hoc mode

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: Joel Jaeggli wrote: what exactly is the point of having a wep key shared by 2000 people. I didn't mean it for data confidentiality; I meant it for building the wires W in WEP not for the P privacy. Basically one such W for ietf and one for

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Pekka Savola wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: -for the general public, set the AP's with both an essid and a key, in Infrastructure mode (managed). -for the aodv public, convene to use a different essid and a different key and ad-hoc mode. If the aodv people need several

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Alexandru Petrescu
Joel Jaeggli wrote: We've noticed that setting both the essid and the key helps a lot with the automatic detection various procedures, such as end-user laptops don't get automatically attached to essid's that happen to be advertised without keys by other end-users' laptops. I expect you'll get

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: Joel Jaeggli wrote: We've noticed that setting both the essid and the key helps a lot with the automatic detection various procedures, such as end-user laptops don't get automatically attached to essid's that happen to be advertised without

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Alexandru == Alexandru Petrescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexandru Joel Jaeggli wrote: what exactly is the point of having a wep key shared by 2000 people. Alexandru I didn't mean it for data confidentiality; I meant it for Alexandru

Re: howto WLAN, several subnets

2003-11-20 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Alexandru == Alexandru Petrescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexandru If my node has mode managed it will never attach to laptop Alexandru nodes Alexandru having same key same essid but mode ad-hoc. No, that's isn't true. It is true for: